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DoctorRoy Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 6:28 AM
Some do. But there are numerous examples of those that don't.
DoctorRoy Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 11:54 AM
That hasn't been my experience, Patrice.
Patrice3 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 11:42 AM
DocRoy- I have worked union and non-union jobs. The safer environment by far was at the non-union plant.
Union workers (aka liberals) remove personal responsibility from the risk/reward equation. Their attitude is that management is fully responsible for their safety, and they can sue or otherwise punish a business if they are injured. Many don't even try to be safe.
NewJAl Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:03 AM
When you want to know how to do a job, ask the person doing it.
Anyone who speaks about how worker safety would be neglected seems to be an outsider, only spouting what they heard from some egghead.
I go with the people who actually worked in situations requiring worker safety. They know.
Joseph64 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 8:08 AM
And we're saying that those that don't aren't in business very long. Do you really think the workers would keep working in a place if someone died there every week? No, they'd all quit and go find someplace safer to work. That is how markets work, in this case the labor market. If your employer is a bad employer, then he won't get the best employees and his business will fail. That's the nice thing about letting markets regulate themselves, all bad behavior is eventually shaken out.
Ken6565 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 7:59 AM
There is often a correlation with the amount of skill required of the workers. If a company can get someone else to do the same job without either requiring significant experience or spending a lot to train workers, it will be less safety-conscious. In this market, warm bodies are a dime a dozen; advertise that you're hiring and there'll be a hundred applicants for each job. The first part of the hiring is simply screening out the ones you don't want: prior conviction, gap in employment history, a past termination, even a bad credit record.
DoctorRoy Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 7:05 AM
Because I have worked factory floors and construction sites, Dan. I didn't say all employers didn't care about safe working conditions. I said some do and some don't.
shubi_ Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 7:01 AM
Royboy is a commie union type.
Dan107 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 7:01 AM
And those that don't are litigated out of business, Roy. Why is that so hard to understand?
Don3026 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 6:53 AM
Question: What do you know about safety on the factory floor or at a construction site?

Yes, there are probably some employers who don't care. But there are worker's comp insurance companies that penalize those companies with higher insurance premiums, which effectively reduces profits.

A call to OSHA can lead to a surprise inspection. OSHA inspects without calls, too.

I'm a welder in a factory, where safety is constantly stressed, a non-union factory. We have incentive programs IF we are safe company wide and dept wide. And still accidents happen.

But to say ALL employers don't care about safe working conditions, is wrong.

shubi_ Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 6:37 AM
Unless workers and management work as a team, the company cannot compete.

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