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Using Semantics to Take Down Conservative Representative Todd Akin

Dobermite Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 4:59 PM
ericynot wrote: Dober, You are confusing an externally imposed political mandate with an individual decision having to do with one's own body. So long as no one, especially a government, is telling women that they MUST get abortions for some "greater good", your argument is illogical. Hitler's and Pol Pot's death camps did not evolve out of abortion rights. = Eric, Once you bestow to people the authority to end innocent life without that persons permission, its only a matter of time before the state usurps that authority for itself, because the precedent has been set, there is no moral objection to the practice itself, its only a matter of who gets to make these decisions and to what end.
Dobermite Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 5:07 PM
For example, a culture that accepts abortion and euthanasia will soon see government sponsored death panels. Its coming, particularly in a country thats broke, and when it does it will be laced with good intentions, just like abortion and euthanasia.

For example, you will live to see government bureaucrats that decide to withhold life sustaining treatment for the elderly, and the explanation will be, we have only so much money to spend, this woman does not have long regardless, therefore this money is better spent on children with cancer.

It will come laced with good intentions and coated in flowery language, but its coming because the precedent has been set, and tyrants will not let you have that authority all to yourself forever.
Dobermite Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 5:11 PM
Well said, MO4

I was actually typing out the rest of my position while you added yours, and needless to say it was the same idea, and thank you for pointing to a vivid example of how this transition takes place.
Dobermite Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 5:19 PM
MO4, Eric is kidding himself if he thinks this authority to end life will belong exclusively to the people forever. Once the practice itself is accepted, its only a matter of time before the lawmakers usurp that authority for themselves, of course for the good of society, because its always for the good of society, no tyrant or tyrants partake in mass murder without rationalizing the intentions, not even Hitler and Stalin.
PhillupSpace2 Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 5:26 PM
They call that a "slippery slope"! But, onfortunately there is no history of redemption once one has passed that point. Like abortion, it just turned out to be too darn convenient! You don't have to care for children who are "challenged", inconvenient or even who may soil their diapers or bother you by having a runny nose!~

And, as an added, some would say unintended, but now appreciated consequence, the Black population of today is HALF what it would have been without Roe v Wade.
Dobermite Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 5:35 PM
ericynot Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 6:25 PM
Dober,

I've spent my life skydiving, skiing, motorcycling, canoeing white water, and chasing women. I'm getting old now, and I don't do much of that stuff anymore. Do I miss it? Maybe a little, but I have no regrets about holding back when I was younger -- even the best parties eventually come to an end.

I'm still in pretty good health, but I know that won't last forever. And I have no interest in prolonging my life by hanging around helpless in a hospital bed. Guess my point is, even though I'm not religious and have no belief in an afterlife, I'm cool with stepping out of the way when my time grows short. "Death panels" (which are really a mythical term for rationing of extreme medical procedures) are fine by me.
ericynot Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 6:26 PM
So why is it that folks who profess to believe they're going to heaven are so afraid of dying?
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 7:12 PM
In other words, life has so little meaning to you that you're willing to throw it away.
ericynot Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 8:03 PM
MO4,

No, ma'am, I'm willing to let it go when the time comes -- as it will for us all.
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Aug 26, 2012 5:02 PM
One could look at the situation with doctor-assisted suicide in the Netherlands.

The right to die swiftly became the duty to die and now doctors kill those whose quality of life they judge inadequate even when those people desire to live.

As I said before,

Quality of life is a red herring. Selfish people use quality of life arguments about abortion because they think that their quality of life would be impaired by having to care for a handicapped child.

Liberal pundits are declaring they have no idea what Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) meant when he referred to “legitimate rape” in an interview this past week. Akin stated, "In cases of legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down." It was an awkward, inarticulate statement, but the substance of it was correct. Explaining what he meant since then would be a bit crude, so he has not been able to adequately defend himself. His attackers have used the awkwardness to pounce on him and pretend they don't know what he meant, or