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Gay Marriage at the Ballot Box

Diogenese_wy Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 12:39 AM
Traditional marriage is made up of two parts, civil and religious. 1) You must obtain a marriage license from the state and it must be signed by both you and your spouse and an official designated by the state, and then must be filed with the state. This is a civil contract. 2) The second part, religious, is the blessing of the church and the sanctification of your union by God. It is the second part that the gay community desires for they are already allowed the civil union, which is their right under law. Then the only issue in “gay marriage laws” is to force the “church’ to recognize them through legislative and judicial means thus gaining the ‘blessing’ of God who has declared their life style sinful and an abomination.
David3036 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 4:21 AM
Such BS! The religious ceremony is something any gay couple can have at any time -- and they regularly do, even in mainstream churches. What they CANNOT have are the rights, financial benefits and other priviileges that are written into more than 1,100 federal laws and hundreds of state laws. At this time, even gay marriage in the states that have it does do that, because DOMA denies them those state rights.

Gay marriage laws have nothing whatever to do with anyone's religious beliefs, nor do they force any church to recognize their marriage or perform such a cermony.
David3036 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 4:22 AM
Correction: even gay marriage in the states that have it does NOT do that, because DOMA denies them those state rights.

David3036 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 5:36 AM
Correction: DOMA denies them those FEDERAL rights. Boy, am I bad on the keyboard at this time of night!
Panda Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 6:37 AM
I believe in defending ALL rights, not just one group's.

Legalize gay marriage, but provide TOTAL protection for all religious organizations. There are plenty of organizations willing to provide gay marriage ceremonies or gay adoptions, so don't use one group's rights to attack another group.

Surely this can be written to protect both. No excuses--just get it done. I don't listen to one group whining about its rights when it doesn't care about the rights of others.
KevNC Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 7:15 AM
In the states where gay marriage is currently recognized by law, there has not been one instance of a church being forced to perform a gay marriage or even a law suit trying to force a church to perform a gay marriage. There is no need to provide total protection for religious organizations in this matter. As far as gay adoptions go, the only issue that has come up has been church sponsored adoption agencies that utilize government funding. They are allowed to refuse to adopt to whomever they want, they just can't expect the government to provide funding for them under those circumstances. Your comment about one group whining about their rights while not caring about the rights of others applies to them as well.
David3036 Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 3:02 PM
Religious groups already have those protections -- but, just to please the church leaders and keep lawmakers from being crucified by their constituents if they vote for gay marriage, almost every gay marriage law passed in the last couple of years contains multiple reassurances for churches that the law applies only to civil marriage and will not be forced on them.
lukemcire Wrote: Nov 15, 2012 2:17 AM
Guess what? Most people don't go to your church.

SUPPORTERS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE have reason to cheer after last week's election. Supporters of democratic self-government, even those of us who oppose gay marriage, do too.

On Nov. 6, for the first time ever, voters in three states – Maine, Maryland, and Washington – redefined marriage by popular vote. In Minnesota, residents said no to a constitutional amendment enshrining the traditional understanding of marriage as the union of a man and a woman. There is no denying the significance of these results: Previously the issue had gone to the ballot in 32 states, and in all 32 same-sex marriage was defeated....