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Social Conservatives: GOP Can't Live Without Them

DHE Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 8:57 AM
Republicans aren't complaining about Christians. They are complaining that Christian conservatives(CCs) insist on unelectable candidates, e.g., Gingrich and make the good candidates they don't scare away into bad ones. They are complaining about the CC's who castigate libertarians as being without values (e.g., Ann Coulter, Mike Adams and I think David Limbaugh too). Independents like myself complain about the so-called "War on Christmas," as phony and divisive. Demands that Christians be treated differently under the law also scares away some independents. Oh, and their fear and loathing of gays, atheists and American-Muslims - some values. Mr. Limbaugh can try and make it about Christianity, but it's not.
Mountain Rose Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 9:27 AM
Gingrich is not the choice of the values voters. He is the choice of the conservative intelligencia.

Santorum is perhaps the candidate you had in mind, who holds strong pro-life views and isn't ashamed to say so.

And if you think the War on Christmas isn't real, you have had your head in the sand, or somewhere else the sun don't shine.
DHE Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 9:33 AM
Your last line, Mountain Rose, tells me not to bother trying reason. Believe as you like.
nomore Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 9:04 AM
It isn't Christian conservatives insisting on unelectable candidates----Reagan was the last one put on the ticket. No other Republican candidate since has been conservative. So, maybe we should try our candidates. They seem to actually get elected at the head of the ticket.
Also, if you cannot see that the Democrats and elite Republicans are trying to silence Christians, you are blind. If you are not cautious with ANY Muslim of any stripe, you have not looked at their sacred texts. If a Muslim actually practices his/her faith, it is a threat to non-Muslims everywhere. Don't believe me, read what actual Muslims say.
Mountain Rose Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 9:30 AM
Reagan wasn't considered very conservative when he ran for his first term. He had signed pro-abortion legislation as Governor of California, and had been a past president of the Screen Actors Guild, a labor union.

He grew into being a conservative, as I suspected Romney would have done.
DHE Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 9:40 AM
no more. Perhaps I am blind. But I see from Halloween thru the end of the year a country awash with Christmas, where 4 out of 5 people consider themselves Christian and the huge majority of the rest are just fine with that. According to one Christian research group a majority of the tiny percentage of atheists and agnostics also celebrate Christmas. Because some people do not want religious symbolism paid for by the public, or if it is, at least that it be not dominated by any group, is not a reason to believe they are anti-Christian. As for your view on Muslims, that is precisely the attitude that independents run from. Some Amer.- Muslims are like that, sure. But most are not. As for Reagan, Romney was more conservative by far.
Capitalist at Birth1 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 9:56 AM
Romney would not have grown into a conservative. I was a conservative at four years old when I began reading the news paper. I have been conservative for the last 59 years and will remain so until the day I die. Reagan had to compromise on some issues. He later realized that those compromises were big mistakes.
SteveL2 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 10:49 AM
Akin was strongly backed by Huckabee and the Arkansas evangelicals.

And even after Akin made his bizarre statements, Huckabee and the evangelicals rallied to his defense. Many of them actually agreed with him. (His theory that rape victims can prevent getting pregnant didn't originate with him. It was a clever ploy used by previous Christian social conservatives to avoid facing up to the difficult question of whether a rape victim can be forced to go through with the pregnancy.)
One of the largest elephants in the GOP's post-election room is the fate of Christian and other social conservatives. Party honchos can't just wish this problem away -- or, maybe they can.

There has been increasing hostility toward Christian involvement in politics, and the animus hasn't been solely from the left. To be sure, Democrats have taken the lead, demonizing conservative Christians as science-challenged scolds who don't care about women's "reproductive rights," but there is plenty of antipathy from certain elements within the Republican Party, as well.

Many establishment and some libertarian Republicans have long looked upon Christian conservatives with mild, condescending...