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New Poll: Majority of Americans Want Illegal Immigrants to Head Back to Home Countries

DevinDenver Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 12:08 PM
RGR wants to spout all these statistics showing that "immigration" from Mexico and Central America has slowed, but that simply points out what we have been saying. These people are not coming here to be Americans; they are coming to take jobs and to avail themselves of the "benefits" we provide (free school, healthcare, food stamps, etc.). If they wanted to be Americans, they would still be coming. Be that as it may, why should we care about deporting "immigrants" that have spent most of their lives here? They got theirs, and if they are now caught, they go back. If they really want to be Americans, then do it the right way.
RGR28 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 1:09 PM
What I'm really interested in is watching how conservatives will cling to their own prejudices and misinformed superstitions regardless of the facts or evidence that is presented to them.

You truly do live in a bubble, which is a world you have created for yourselves and a reality that is even separated from the one shared by the rest of America.
RGR28 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 1:11 PM
Confirmation Bias is a way of thinking whereby we as a species have a persistent bias towards sources of information that confirm the beliefs we already have, while discounting information that disagrees with our pre-conceived notions.
RGR28 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 1:12 PM
Attribution Error is a phenomenon whereby we as a species have a persistent bias towards assuming only good and noble attributes for ourselves and those we are close to ("but officer, I was speeding because I was late for something important!"), while assigning bad and ignoble attributes to those outside our inner circle ("hey, that jurk who just passed me was speeding - hope he gets a ticket!").
RGR28 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 1:16 PM
Maryanne's Posts are a perfect illustration of Attribution error. Town Hall is a great textbook for group prejudice and low information generality-thinking.
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 1:23 PM

No shoot? Why are you hanging here, professor?
DevinDenver Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 1:44 PM
Where are your facts or evidence? Susperstition, bias, prejudice. You use such big words, but have such little understanding.

Please tell me WHY we have 25 million illegal aliens in our country that are NOT clamoring for citizenship? Please explain WHY when our economy stalls, the illegal aliens also stop coming. My explanation (and alas, there are no statistics to prove one way or the other) is that they stop coming because there are no jobs. They are coming for jobs and benefits NOT TO BECOME AMERICANS.
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 1:03 PM

". . . the "benefits" we provide (free school, healthcare, food stamps, etc." (Devin.)

Yes, Devin, YOU are what it's all about.

And the NO to amnesty simply prolongs our problems. Those illegals will never be taxpayers under your NO. (YOUR WAY has always failed.) But with amnesty, they pay not only fines. They become taxpayers legally. They "don't want" to be Americans??? How does that concern you? You do have your own business, don't you? And I maintain amnesty is another kind of right way. Not like yours; but actually practical.



DevinDenver Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 2:02 PM
Dread, I am glad to engage YOU on the what is the RIGHT WAY. The simple fact is that many (maybe most) do not want to become Americans. They want the jobs and the benefits, period. If that means that they are required to obtain citizenship, then I am sure that a fair portion would. But as it stands, they can obtain jobs and benefits without being a citizen and that is WRONG. It is not MY WAY, it is THE LEGAL WAY. How it concerns me is that we have MILLIONS of citizens of other countries coming here (illegally) and artificially driving down wages, sucking public resources out of our economy, and causing governance issues all over the place. Amnesty or not, you cannot refute this.
DevinDenver Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 2:06 PM
My way is not practical? When has it been tried? I am saying absolutely nothing about our immigration policies, rather I am demanding that we enforce the laws we already have. If there is a need to streamline the immigration process, open the various types of visa's and work permits, fine, do it. But BEFORE we do anything else, we need to enforce the borders, and crack down hard on the illegals here and those emplying them. BTW, please tell me how it is that these illegals that are working here are NOT paying taxes. EMployers are withholding FICA, Income Taxes, etc. and they are paying sales tax, etc. So, precisely which taxes are they not paying?
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 2:35 PM

No; if your way were practical, there wouldn't be an illegal immigration problem. The ones to be amnestied have become self-sufficient; many own businesses. Do they pay income tax?

Has the US Border Patrol been disbanded? But we catch and deport illegals.

The 12 million are in our cities, not leaping over the fence. They're everywhere in America. With mortgages, business, and car loans. The aren't hounded, that's all. YOU expect the cops to hound them.

Did you know there are more than 15 million Irish illegals in our country? How do you profile Irishmen?

SO, all the illegals go home voluntarily. Let the lending institutions crash when 12 million loans default. YES!

DevinDenver Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 2:47 PM
12 million loans? They all have loans? Tell me how they got them if they are not here legally? Quit pulling these "facts" out of your @zz where your head is.
Yes, they are in the cities - that is where the jobs are. How did they get there? I don't expect the cops to hound them - what I expect is that we set appropriate consequences for employers utilizing illegals as employees; end benefits for undocumented people; deport illegals when we find them. For you to assume that I want the "cops to hound them" shows how idiotic you are.
Again, prove this BS assertion that there are 15 million Irish here. And guess what, profiling isn't needed. If they do not have work visa's or citizenship papers, they don't work.
DevinDenver Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 2:48 PM
Can you really be this stupid? You attribute to me things which I have not uttered. You assume that I am only talking about one portion of illegals. You make up statistics and expect others to buy it. COme on man, you can do better.
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 5:02 PM


We have it straight from an immigration official who gave us that number. HERE, in TownHall. Are ewe skeptical? So what; you believe lots of dubious poll numbers. I' not idiotic;

You DO want defenseless peons hounded. And my "BS,"

" If they do not have work visa's or citizenship papers, they don't work."

REALLY? Irish aren't asked, and they don't have to raise suspicion. Would you? They'll ask Mexicans, and since the majority in our cities have papers, it's no problem. I was over to Sears; in the automotive dept. Mr Goodwrench? Some dozen mechanics working, all with papers.

The undocumented are selling tacos or picking vegetables. But still happy to be paid in dolares.

dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 5:09 PM

He can't rebut, so he begins the ad hominems.

I did NOT make up stats. I don't rely on polls and data from people you trust. I'm an impartial observer over a lifetime; and tell the truth. Not only that; I am acquainted with many people in the barrios; legal or illegal. Most are honorable Christians. You never depend on mere truth; you have an agenda. I don't.

maryanne24 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 12:14 PM
I agree that a large number do not want to become citizens. I don't know the percent, but I would guess though that it is less than half. Many many of the immigrants I know have no interest in becoming American. They work off the books and wire money back to Mexico and they hope to return their one day.
DevinDenver Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 12:10 PM
I am sure that RGR would gladly allow the "family" that stole his car to keep it because the father was trying to make a better life for his family. You know, that car was something the kids had nothing to do with stealing, therefore, they should not be punished by having to give it back. Come on man, use that brain of yours.
maryanne24 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 12:24 PM
In the liberals eyes it is okay because he was doing this to feed his family. You laugh but this is being taught in the schools. "Is it ok to steal if you have to eat?" Sob Sob. Yes, they teach the kids it is a gray area and then they wonder.....
dreadnaught/13 Wrote: Feb 07, 2013 1:06 PM

You're sure? Not me.

What's RGR, might I ask?

A new poll released by the Center for Immigration Studies shows the majority of likely voters simply want illegal immigrants to head back to their home countries.

A new poll using neutral language — and avoiding the false choice of conditional legalization vs. mass
deportations
— finds that most Americans want illegal immigrants to return to their home counties,
rather than be given legal status. The findings also show a very large gap in intensity, with those who want
illegal immigrants to head home feeling much stronger about that option than those who would...