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Why the 2nd Amendment

devaremet Wrote: Jan 02, 2013 10:27 AM
The only difference between now and when the 2nd Amendment was drafted is that today most people have no fear of God, if they even believe in Him, and our schools are nothing but indoctrination centers for anarchy/socialism. The battle for our cuture and what it was originally intended to be was lost along time ago we are becoming a country of the ruling class and those who will serve them.
Corbett_ Wrote: Jan 02, 2013 10:32 AM
Which is it? Anarchy or socialism? They are not the same you know. Socialism is all-pervasive government and anarchy is absence of government. It is not possible that schools are indoctrinating people in both.
RodT Wrote: Jan 02, 2013 10:34 AM
Did you see and hear the OWS last summer? Both is what is being pushed in our Sociaist unioin education system.
Luscious Lars Wrote: Jan 02, 2013 10:58 AM
They could be. They could be instructing kids to use forms of anarchy to create crisis which will then cause others to call for more govt. power to rectify the crisis. The anarchy portion is a temporary distraction to the ultimate goal of large, centralized, government control of the masses, for their own good of course.
Luscious Lars Wrote: Jan 02, 2013 10:59 AM
classic Saul Alinsky tactics, which Obama is well schooled about.
Corbett_ Wrote: Jan 02, 2013 11:19 AM
Lars:

These two are totally incompatible. You cannot have anarchy and socialism -- they are exact opposites. Well-orchestrated protests and demonstrations are not anarchy. Alinsky taught stirring up civil unrest, but he did NOT advocate anarchy. Since anarchy means freedom from government, it is anathema to people like Obama and the people who run the NEA.
Corbett_ Wrote: Jan 02, 2013 11:21 AM
Rod:

Notice how OWS did NOT call for the abolition of government (i.e., anarchy). Instead they called for MORE government (i.e. socialism). They were not indoctrinated in anarchy. Civil (or in their case in-cilvil) disobedience is NOT anarchy.
Luscious Lars Wrote: Jan 02, 2013 11:55 AM
Corbett: I will agree with you. What I should have said was that they are using chaos (instead of anarchy) as a diversion to create a crisis, which will bring big government solutions on board to solve the crisis. I think we sometimes use the word "anarchy" in place of chaos. The two can be, but are not necessarily directly related in the total definintion of the words.
dcopeland Wrote: Jan 02, 2013 10:30 AM
Amen, we need to pull our children OUT of indoctrination centers and either school ourselves or get together and get to schoolin'. That is why the libs do NOT want vouchers, because they know the people will vote with their dollars for REAL SCHOOLS
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