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Liberal Says 2nd Amendment Meant to Give State Right to Bear Arms

Dennis Michael Wrote: Dec 23, 2012 5:28 PM
There are a couple points to consider of the second amendment to support the argument that the ordinary John and Mary can carry a gun. Back in colonial times America was basically an agricultural society. There were no Frys-Kroger or Save-Ways to buy food or large cattle yards. If you wanted some meat for dinner you had to go out and shoot it. Also some of the Americans lived in or were near Indian territory and felt threaten by them. I am sure the Indians felt the way. No doubt the Founding Fathers knew all this and more and is why they wrote the Second Amendment the way they did. Ideally, it would be better if there were no guns around anywhere then the bad guys couldn't get them, but we don't live in an ideal society.
whess Wrote: Dec 24, 2012 11:54 AM
Your wrong Dennis, to quote Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the asaulted and better for the assailants; They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man". Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and Punishment. (1764)
whess Wrote: Dec 24, 2012 12:10 PM
Cesare Becceria was five years older than Thomas Jefferson and was a well known lawyer and writer on crime and punishment in both Italy and France at the time that Thomas Jefferson served as ambassador to France. Likely knew each oher personally.
Primus54 from Ohio Wrote: Dec 23, 2012 6:01 PM
Nice idea, but then the discussion would be about controlling swords, spears & knives. It doesn't matter the weapon, but controlling the masses.
Dennis Michael Wrote: Dec 25, 2012 1:24 AM
You may have a point about controlling the masses, however the major point is eliminating the most accessible and the most dangerous weapons. For most people (this includes nuts and evil doers) it is much easier to buy a gun, point it at someone, pull the trigger and do a lot of damage. Most people don't get or wouldn't the same instant gratification from using spears, knives, and swords. Spears, knives, and swords require more time, strength, and skill to use than guns. Also, they require that you be closer to your victims than guns do. Guns do not require you to be six four and 200 pounds to employ them. A 12 year old with a gun can do a lot of pain.

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