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Denmark Vesey Wrote: 4 hours ago (8:36 PM)
Pas, Have you been on TH long? All disagree with me but many are respectful and I appreciate that. However, TH has its share of ignorant racists and bigots. I did not copy the posts relating to the deaths of Trayvon and Mike being justified because of their perceptions of being thugs but such posts do exist. Secondly, is it entirely possible in your realm of thought that Trayvon may have been fighting for his life? Was Mike Brown actually charging Wilson? If so, self-defense is justifiable. If not, it is nothing but a cold-blooded murder of a young man in a surrender position.
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Denmark Vesey Wrote: 4 hours ago (7:59 PM)
seeing, I watched the entire Trayvon Martin trial. During the friend's testimony, she stated that Trayvon was afraid of Zimm and she advised him to run but he elected to walk away instead. Is this your interpretation of this statement that Trayvon was attempting to show her his manhood by not running from Zimm? If so, why should he have to run from this nut? On Mike Brown, it is alleged by three eyewitnesses that he had his hands in the air. A fourth stated he was not able to see when Mike turned but after he turned, he stated he saw Mike grab his arm and began to fall to the ground before the last two fatal shots were fired. No one has testified that they saw Brown rushing toward Wilson. On the recording involving the two men, the authenticity has not been verified. We do not know who and when this recording was made. Also, if these two were so close to the shooting, why can we not hear the gunshots as Mike supposedly "keeps coming"? I cannot definitely say for sure that Mike Brown did not charge Wilson but I am not going to take just his word for it when there are several who witnessed this shooting in broad daylight on a seemingly busy street.
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Denmark Vesey Wrote: 5 hours ago (7:36 PM)
Seeing, First of all, you seem to indicate that I am relieving young blacks of any self-responsibility which I totally am not. And, yes, I agree with you that the antics of youth is part of life's experiences for many. Many of us have broke laws that would have landed us in jail if caught so I do believe in the saying.."except by the grace of God, there go I". When it comes to perfection, we need only to look at Jesus. However, there are two points I want to make. Though you have discussed your antics as a young person, most cons have gone overboard to denigrate Trayvon Martin as a thug (altho Zimm was the only one with an arrest record) who deserved to be murdered and the same for Michael who indeed committed a dumb crime before he was shot but did his crime warrant a death sentence? Neither of these kids had a criminal history prior to their shootings. You did not respond directly to what I will call my second point. As stated previously, whites can commit the same crimes as blacks but are much more less likely to face an arrest or certain incarceration. This is a verifiable disparity that is reviewed by the Justice Dept. Am I attributing this dilemma to being black? You darn tootin'.
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Denmark Vesey Wrote: 6 hours ago (6:19 PM)
seeing, Is it not true that a large number of innocent young black males are arrested for crimes that they did not commit? Also, for every ten white drug user there only about 4 black users. However, for every ten drug users incarcerated, 6 are black and four are of other races. Marijuana use is about equal for blacks and whites but arrests for this drug is heavily weighted toward blacks. Why is there such a large discrepancy? I think we both know.
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Denmark Vesey Wrote: 6 hours ago (6:12 PM)
seeing, Trayvon had every right to protect himself from a gun-wielding fanatic. Where they fought marks the pathway to the home where the father lived. The "T" was located deep inside the townhouse complex. Trayvon was on his way home. What reason did Zimm have for being there? To look for a street sign in the middle of the complex? He supposedly did not know the name of a street where he has lived for 4 years and was the captain of the nightwatch group? Trayvon was unarmed and this nut was. Again, did Trayvon not have the right to defend himself or.is it....no rights the white man is bound to respect. Brown could have been 400 lbs abd 9 ft tall. Doesn't matter. If he had his hands in the air and surrendering as alleged by the witnesses, Wilson shot him in cold blood. Or does he have any rights as citizen or....no rights the white man is bound to respect. Which is it, seeing?
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Denmark Vesey Wrote: 9 hours ago (3:17 PM)
2012 Eugene Ellison 67, Little Rock PD Where is the list of unarmed whites killed by police?
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Denmark Vesey Wrote: 9 hours ago (3:16 PM)
"Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857), was a landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court held that African Americans, whether enslaved or free, could not be American citizens and therefore had no standing to sue in federal court...". Chief Justice Roger Taney wrote in his decision "..that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration..". Additionally, he wrote, "The black man had no rights which the white man was bound to respect". Fast forward to 2014. Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin have illuminated a chilling phenomenon involving the shooting deaths of unarmed African Americans. Below are the names of unarmed African Americans who experienced the same fate as the aforementioned. Two of the offending officers were imprisoned with short sentences while others were exonerated by the legal system but terminated by their respective departments for failing to adhere to policy. These shootings resulted in the payout of huge lawsuits while four are still pending (Brown, Garner, Ashley, Ferrell). 8-9-14 Michael Brown 18 shot 6 times Ferguson PD 2014 Eric Garner 43 (father of 6) Choked to death NYPD 2013 Alonzo Ashley 29 death by taser Denver PD 2013 Jonathan Ferrell 24 shot 10 times Charlotte PD 2012 Wendell Allen 20 shot once NOPD 2012 Timothy Russell 43 shot 23 times Cleveland PD Malissa Williams 30 shot 24 times (137 shots fired) 2010 Aaron Campbell 25 shot by AR-15 LAPD 2009 Oscar Grant 23 shot in the back Oakland Trans PD 2006 Sean Bell 23 shot 4 times NYPD (50 shots fired) 2004 Timothy Stansbury 19 shot once in chest NYPD 1999 Amadou Diallo 22 shot 19 times NYPD (41 shots) Above are the most reported slayings of unarmed African Americans killed by police but there are others who have remained hidden from national attention. They are: 2003 Ousamane Zongo 43, NYPD 2004 Orlando Barlow 28, LVPD 2005 Ronald Madison 40. NOPD 2005 James Brisette 17, NOPD 2005 Travares McGill 16, Sanford Fl Security Officers 2007 Deaunta Farrow 12, West Memphis PD 2009 Henry Lee Jones Jr 20, Little Rock PD 2009 Victor Steen 17, Pensacola PD 2010 Steve Washington 27, LAPD 2012 Ramarley Graham 18, NYPD 2012 Regia Boyd 22, Chicago PD
"Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857), was a landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court held that African Americans, whether enslaved or free, could not be American citizens and therefore had no standing to sue in federal court...". Chief Justice Roger Taney wrote in his decision "..that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration..". Additionally, he wrote, "The black man had no rights which the white man was bound to respect". Fast forward to 2014. Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin have illuminated a chilling phenomenon involving the shooting deaths of unarmed African Americans. Below are the names of unarmed African Americans who experienced the same fate as the aforementioned. Two of the offending officers were imprisoned with short sentences while others were exonerated by the legal system but terminated by their respective departments for failing to adhere to policy. These shootings resulted in the payout of huge lawsuits while four are still pending (Brown, Garner, Ashley, Ferrell). 8-9-14 Michael Brown 18 shot 6 times Ferguson PD 2014 Eric Garner 43 (father of 6) Choked to death NYPD 2013 Alonzo Ashley 29 death by taser Denver PD 2013 Jonathan Ferrell 24 shot 10 times Charlotte PD 2012 Wendell Allen 20 shot once NOPD 2012 Timothy Russell 43 shot 23 times Cleveland PD and Malissa Williams 30 shot 24 times (137 shots fired) 2010 Aaron Campbell 25 shot by AR-15 LAPD 2009 Oscar Grant 23 shot in the back Oakland Trans PD 2006 Sean Bell 23 shot 4 times NYPD (50 shots) 2004 Timothy Stansbury 19 shot once in chest NYPD 1999 Amadou Diallo 22 shot 19 times NYPD (41 shots) Above are the most reported slayings of unarmed African Americans killed by police but there are others who have remained hidden from national attention. They are: 2003 Ousamane Zongo 43, NYPD 2004 Orlando Barlow 28, LVPD 2005 Ronald Madison 40. NOPD 2005 James Brisette 17, NOPD 2005 Travares McGill 16, Sanford Fl Sec 2007 Deaunta Farrow 12, Mem 2009 Henry L Jones Jr 20, Little Rock PD 2009 Victor Steen 17, Pensacola 2010 Steve Washington 27, LAPD 2012 Ramarley Graham 18, NYPD 2012 Regia Boyd 22, Chicago PD 2012 Eugene Ellison 67, Little Roc
Comp, Read your response which was $982 which equates to $51,000 annually. Two points: (1) Do you think the average Joe in America earns $51,000 annually? The figure you used includes the top 20% income earners which skews the weekly earnings for the average Joe. (2) My post was based on "half of Americans". Yours is related to ALL Americans. Apples to oranges. (3) What's amusing is how your con cheerleaders just jumped at your useless figures without realizing the difference between half and all. Absolutely hilarious.
Where did I get the info? Several sites on the internet. Where do you think? Low income is considered to be about $24,000 annually for a family of four. I have no idea how many of the working poor are illegal/legal 3rd world folks. Your point about industrial automation is legit. Your point about blaming everyone else does not make sense unless you refer to my reference about corporate greed. And yes, I do see corporate greed as a problem. They should pay more or you should not complain about subsidizing their employees with tax payer assisted programs.
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