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Atheist Attacks on Christmas

Denise67 Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 10:42 AM
Ebenezer Scrooge reformed and became a man who kept Christmas beautifully. Why can't the world learn from Charles Dickens' beautiful classic?
Apollo2 Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 11:58 AM
I'm an atheist and I think that Dickens' classic is one of the most beautiful stories ever written about redemption and renewal, but it has nothing to do with Christ the Redeemer.

"Ben-Hur" is a story of Christian redemption. "A Christmas Carol" is not.
eddie again Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 12:12 PM
so, it is your conclusion the the name "a christmas carol" has nothing to do with Jesus Christ?

verrrrry interesting, such a conclusion says a lot about the person so concluding.
jwilliams Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 12:17 PM
If you're participating in this discussion, eddie, but cannot conceive that anyone could ever think "Christmas" without thinking "Jesus Christ," I think that speaks volumes about you.
Would you likewise think someone was stupid if they thought Halloween was about anything other than saints?
eddie again Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 12:28 PM
maybe not stupid, possibly stupid, but definitely ignorant.
eddie again Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 12:29 PM
i do not believe charles dickens was ignorant of the meaning of the word christmas.

you, of course, can think that charles dickens was ignorant of the meaning of the word christmas, as well as the word's significance.
jwilliams Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 12:34 PM
All right, let's give you a taste of your own medicine: is the song "All I Want for Christmas is You" about Jesus Christ?
jwilliams Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 11:14 AM
Jesus Christ is not mentioned even a single time in "A Christmas Carol." Scrooge's lessons are almost entirely secular.
eddie again Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 11:27 AM
why in the world then did dickens constantly refer to CHRISTMAS?

afterall, he could have used the holiday season instead of CHRISTMAS,right???
eddie again Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 11:27 AM
perhaps you are ignorant of the origin and meaning of the word CHRISTMAS???
eddie again Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 11:27 AM
perhaps you are ignorant of the origin and meaning of the word CHRISTMAS???
jwilliams Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 12:13 PM
Perhaps you are ignorant of the many, many people who celebrate Christmas and hardly give Jesus Christ a second thought? Of all the people for whom the holiday is much more about family and good-will, at best, and consumerism at worst, and have long ago dispensed with any religious meaning behind the holiday? So perhaps you didn't consider that just because he says the word "Christmas," the story has just about nothing to do with Christianity anyway?
Becca in TX Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 12:38 PM
jwilliams-You do realize that Dickens lived long before consumerism caused some to "dispense with any religious meaning"?
jwilliams Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 12:59 PM
Riiiight. That's why his story's about a MISER discovering the meaning of Christmas? And why the meaning of Christmas, in the story, is not religious?
Becca in TX Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 2:04 PM
jwilliams-Jesus Christ isn't mentioned in The Lord of the Rings. Do you think it's secular?
jwilliams Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 2:50 PM
Now that's a whole other can of tuna. Tolkien was pretty clear on some occasions that he didn't want people to think Lord of the Rings was about anything other than Lord of the Rings - he did not like allegory. There are plenty of stories that abound with Christian symbolism, of course - I'm told Chronicles of Narnia lays it on pretty heavy, for one - but I don't remember LotR being one of them. It's been a while and I could be wrong.
And I guess now that I'm really thinking about it, Scrooge's first visit is a warning that he's hellbound if he doesn't change his ways. So fine - I suppose there are Christian symbols in the story. The Christian nature of the holiday just doesn't seem to be the focus.
dcamjones Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 3:02 PM
because there wasn't any asinine people screaming stop calling it Christmas when he wrote the story
dcamjones Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 3:03 PM
No it isn't, it is about someone who discovered being loved and sharing with others was more fun then being an butthole and treating people badly
dcamjones Wrote: Dec 11, 2012 3:03 PM
No it isn't, it is about someone who discovered being loved and sharing with others was more fun then being an butt hole and treating people badly
Bill O'Reilly asked this question on his Fox News program last week: "Why do I have to be the leader defending Christmas against its attackers?" O'Reilly was criticizing Rhode Island Governor Lincoln Chafee's renaming his state's Christmas tree a "holiday tree."

Good question. It's time for Christians to realize that their religion is under attack, and they had better start fighting to win the war for religious liberty in public opinion, in the courts and in the schools.

The war against Christianity has been waged by the American Civil Liberties Union, the Freedom From Religion Foundation and similar groups....

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