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And Hayes can think to herself, she was doing it all for the good of the planet. No moral compass. People with "sustainability" degrees should never be allowed to make money or have any job that does does not involve shoveling animal waste.
Up 1. Pretending to do one thing while accomplishing another and claiming pure motives, is the statist way. Understanding the true nature if a problem, thinking it through using appropriate solutions and fixing the problem for the good of others, and then being called mean spirited, is the common sense conservative way.
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Dead Right Wrote: Feb 14, 2015 1:39 PM
Science is limited to systems less complex than man. As only lesser systems can be understood by more complex systems. In the physical sciences man can reach near perfection of understanding. In the physical science science has yet to offer proof of any one theory preceding the Big Bang. We may yet come to fully understand biology as it is closely related to physics and chemistry. The important issues in life, how do relate to myself, how do I relate to you, purpose, destiny, security, significance, are beyond systematic investigation. Each of us is on a chosen path of investigation by what we assume, faith, to be so. My inclination to view the order that science indicates as evidence for an orderly God and mind is my perception and belief. Your choice to demand science or God to prove or disprove either is another choice. Those atheists here that are happy and willing to live and let live, I have no problem with. Those that demand by law their view be adopted by force may be insecure in their own belief or view of the evidence. Freedom to believe and responsability to behave is what this country started with. It those that call themselves liberals in this age that are demanding adherence to a bunch of beliefs, mmgw, collectivism, social justice and so forth that represent the real threats to individual freedom. Science and challenging what and why you believe what you believe are the deeper pursuits of this life. Being forced to give approval or obedience by force to statism is closer to hell.
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Dead Right Wrote: Feb 14, 2015 1:16 PM
Men went to the moon and came back to tell us what it is like. Jesus went to death and came back to tell us what it was like. Most of us have never been to the moon and rely on another to tell us about it. Most of us have not come back from death, so we must rely on another to tell us about it. And no one but Jesus predicted he would come back before he died and did so. Jesus speaks with the authority of an engineer who designed life. Not one who merely made observations about it.
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Dead Right Wrote: Feb 11, 2015 2:36 PM
Have to say this is the most pleasant chat we have had in a long time. Seems both believers and atheists are finally getting along and just offering up what they think and believe. To use a liberal phrase, live and let live. :)
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Dead Right Wrote: Feb 11, 2015 2:34 PM
Kirt Goddells incompleteness theorem argues that a system cannot be understood within a system. It needs a higher order system to understand it. God is the higher order, then the universe and its ability for life, then life. Although many consider life to be more complex than the universe. From our perspective, it may be a toss up. Man needs an infinite reference point. Mine is the living God. In John, Jesus is described as the logos or order of all things and the agent of life and light, or information on how everything works and was put together. He certainly nailed human relationship issues and morality dead-on. He revealed that which we could not come to by our own reason. Higher order system explained to the lower ordered system how things actually are.
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Dead Right Wrote: Feb 11, 2015 2:26 PM
Agree. I mostly use reasons.org research materials.
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Dead Right Wrote: Feb 11, 2015 2:19 PM
Actually, science in its attempt at disproving God, as one of its stated premises, has simply come of age where it knows that God made order is now obvious in pretty much every area of science. While this article is philosophical there is far greater research into the obvious order and hyper balance of the universe and the requirement for an intelligent Beginner. Also your statement about quantum physics is irrelivent before the Big Bang. Reason's fundamental base is morality, not survival. See reason.org
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Dead Right Wrote: Feb 11, 2015 2:12 PM
So is your mind the product of random dirt, or of another mind?
This is why we, conservatives must pick a horse to get behind before the primaries and agree to get that one person elected. Otherwise the gop will devide the conservative vote between losers. Getting their leftist statist hack in instead.
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