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America's Last Crusade

deaconAR Wrote: Sep 25, 2012 2:58 PM
To all below: you are proving my point. You can't know for sure what will be with certaintude, unlike what Pat B. seems to think. Loadstar: Can you say with certaintude that the world would today be a "better" place if Sadam was still in power? I can't say that having him gone is better, so I wonder how you can say it would have been better for him to remain. And for Viet Nam, remember that we were this close to forcing the VC to surrender, but our anti-war media gave the north the will to stick it out a little longer - and we defeated ourselves. OldMex: Going to a bank for a loan is a regulated, systemized commercial interaction. A bit different than a soverign nation deciding to physically interfere with another to stop a
deaconAR Wrote: Sep 25, 2012 3:50 PM
Xcuse the spellin' - I'm an engineer spoiled by spell-check.

Though I don't think it was ever stated by Bush that Saddam was directly behind/involved in 9/11, the case was made that Al'Quida (sp) did have fairly free movement within Iraq. So that was a problem, along with Saddam thumbing his nose at all the requirements imposed on him post Gulf War 1.

And yes, I agree that our naivete about Islam and its history is to our detriment.
loadstar Wrote: Sep 25, 2012 3:29 PM
I think you meant "certitude"...as for Saddam, he was portrayed as being also behind 9/11...one of MANY lies proffered. Saddam WAS a bad dude, but he and Osama were OPPONENTS, and he damm sure was an opponent of Iran, and something of a check on them.

Once again, our rank naivete (including Obama's) about Islamics is one of our signal problems.
deaconAR Wrote: Sep 25, 2012 3:02 PM
genocide or the like. And the pain is a national pain experienced by the citizens, due to the social, economic and physical consequences of a nations actions or inactions.

Corbett: No, I'm saying that there is no way to say that leaving everyone alone to their own devices will always result in the best possible outcome. And when does America "conquer" other countries?
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