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The Case Against “Equality” Part 2

DCM in FL Wrote: Mar 01, 2013 1:33 PM
The more I read this article the more I'm amazed that anyone could argue or disagree with its position. All pro "gay marriage" arguments are built on a load of falsehoods, both implied & outright: - The genders are interchangeable (Turek addresses this nicely); - Same-sex relationships are just like normal ones in every meaningful way; - Homosexuality is inborn, immutable & morally neutral; - Different relationships must be treated equally because people want them to be; - If something is legal, then it doesn't matter what else is true of it. Anyone who argues for "gay marriage" now deserves to be deeply ashamed, at some future time, of having done so.
Jack2894 Wrote: Mar 01, 2013 1:54 PM
A) There is no claim that genders are interchangeable in this context. In fact, quite the opposite. For almost all people, gay included, gender is NOT interchangeable.

B) Same sex relationships are close enough to "normal" ones that the differences dont' matter in this context.

c) No one knows the genesis of homosexuality, or even whether all gay people are gay for the same reason. It is morally neutral to some, but not to others. but so is dancing

D) Relationships can be different in nature but still equal as a part of a class.

E) This is both true and untrue at the same time.
Rich D. Wrote: Mar 01, 2013 2:25 PM
Statement "E" shows that you are nuts.
Andy544 Wrote: Mar 01, 2013 2:48 PM
Jack, your post was absolutely delusional. Point B, for instance. A vagina was designed by God to receive a male's member and seed, and conceive a brand new life. An anus was designed by God to excrete waste products, not to receive another male's member or conceive new life. Comparing normal heterosexual relations with homosexual relations and saying that they are 'close enough' to eack other that 'the differences don't matter' is ludicrous and delusional. It's like saying 'heaven and hell are 'close enough' that the 'differences don't matter'
Jack2894 Wrote: Mar 01, 2013 3:10 PM
Well Andy, given that I do not believe in the God thing, your protestation regarding God's intent is just static. But your response is really emblematic of what is really happening in this debate. I wrote that same sex RELATIONSHIPS are close enough, and you reduced that to sexual relations without a second thought.

Here's a corollary. Suppose the issue was cars and the context is driving to the grocery store. In that context a brand new Lexus and a ten year old Honda Civic are close enough that the differences don't matter. I am not comparing the two vehicles in every aspect or every context. But as far as driving to the corner store, they are the same.
Andy544 Wrote: Mar 01, 2013 3:46 PM
Lame reply.... your response jumped off the track in the 1st sentence, and rolled down a 1,000 foot canyon and crashed and burned at the bottom.

More arrogance and hubris.... your side believes that, because THEY don't believe in God, He doesn't exist; and it believes it is free to RE-DEFINE a relationship that He Himself established. I reduced the argument to sexual relationships because, at core, that is what MARRIAGE is (duh!)..... Otherwise, it is two people 'shacked up', or engaged in some kind of room mate arrangement, or simply a platonic relationship.

Btw... Jack, you WILL believe in 'the God thing' one of these days... trust me on that one....
Simplicity Wrote: Mar 01, 2013 3:56 PM
It's not all about the sexual relationship. But you seem to forget that men and women ARE different. You are really ignorant if you think it is all the same..
Andy544 Wrote: Mar 01, 2013 4:59 PM
I didn't say that marriage is 'all about' the sexual relationship. I said that marriage AT ITS CORE is the sexual relationship--- the other components of the relationship 'flower out' from there ( marriage was designed by God for companionship and procreation). Jack's post is delusional in that he claims that normal heterosexual marriage and the perverse imitation called 'ssm' are 'so close' that 'the differences don't matter'. An absolute lie.

In yesterday’s column, I listed some of the benefits that natural marriage provides children and society. But some claim that promoting natural marriage exclusively violates the rights of people who are attracted to the same sex. That’s not true. The three P’s will help us see why.

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