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Piers Morgan Wants to Amend Moses

DCM in FL Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 8:12 AM
The push for "gay rights" comes down to the fact that no one wants to admit that anything is wrong with them or that anything they want to do might not be for the best. I'll tell you this: if you've never looked in the mirror and said, in effect, "I have serious issues that need to be addressed" or "I need to change what I'm doing, no matter how much I want to do it", I don't think I need to listen to anything you have to say.
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 11:58 AM
"The push for "gay rights" comes down to the fact that no one wants to admit that anything is wrong with them or that anything they want to do might not be for the best. "

Baloney. It's a specific issue to most people, not a general one. I doubt you can find one homosexual who believes nothing is wrong.
DCM in FL Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 12:00 PM
"I doubt you can find one homosexual who believes nothing is wrong"

You misunderstand me. The issue is not people who believe nothing is wrong, but people who refuse to admit that something they want to do may be wrong.
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 12:14 PM
"The issue is not people who believe nothing is wrong, but people who refuse to admit that something they want to do may be wrong. "

Then you should state that clearly. Now it's incumbent upon you to prove what you say they're doing wrong is actually wrong. There is considerable disagreement on many issues, even among Christians.

DCM in FL Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 12:20 PM
"Then you should state that clearly." - I thought I did. Oh well.

"Now it's incumbent upon you to prove what you say they're doing wrong is actually wrong." - It could be proven to someone open-minded, but my point is that people need to recognize the wrong in themselves.

"There is considerable disagreement on many issues, even among Christians." - Among issues clearly dealt with in the Bible, there shouldn't be any (although unfortunately there still is).
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 12:38 PM
"but my point is that people need to recognize the wrong in themselves."

And I agree with that. I think that way of looking at the issue is by far the best one, and the moral one. I have no problem with people using the Bible or Koran or Oprah if it's in service of improving oneself. I applaud the effort. It's when they direct themselves at improving others that I think it goes wrong.

DCM in FL Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 12:46 PM
"And I agree with that. I think that way of looking at the issue is by far the best one, and the moral one."

OK, but what you might not agree with, but which is the case nonetheless, is that the person with a life-dominating sexual issue such as homosexuality is responsible for whether he recognizes it for what it is & decides to lay it down.

Also, I personally cannot make someone with such an issue "improve themselves." But I am responsible for speaking the truth instead of just telling them they're OK as they are.

One of my best friends was killed by behavior that others would have let him keep thinking was OK. By the end he knew it wasn't.
Donjindra Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 1:15 PM
"the person with a life-dominating sexual issue such as homosexuality is responsible for whether he recognizes it for what it is & decides to lay it down."

The key is, (and I do agree) he is the one responsible for recognizing the behavior is destructive. And if a friend practices destructive behavior, it's okay up to a point to offer friendly advice. At some point there is a danger of it becoming meddlesome, though. I don't know what that point is. But I do know a lot of people cross it -- and I'm not referring to only Christians.


DCM in FL Wrote: Dec 28, 2012 1:31 PM
Well said.

I like it when a discussion like this manages not to descend into name-calling ("pervert!" "homophobe!"), etc.

Fresh off his attack on America’s gun control laws, Piers Morgan set his sights on another set of laws that trouble him, the laws of Moses and the Bible. But before he called for an amendment to the Bible to recognize “gay rights,” Morgan actually asked his guest, Pastor Rick Warren, a very fair question, and Warren stumbled in his answer.

Of course, Morgan’s timing could not have been worse. After all, this was a Christmas Eve interview with a Christian leader, and Morgan is not exactly riding a wave of popularity. And to compare the Bible to the Constitution shows...