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God Will Not Be Mocked

dbaker683 Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 8:21 PM
except this nation wasn't formed under the belief in and allegiance to the christian god. do your research; america's religious identity was hijacked by fundamentalists long before any so-called progressives got hold of it. this nation was founded by men who despised theocracy and religious hegemony, and they fought to ensure that we would never be bound by it. in this country, you are free to worship god in your chosen manner. but thanks to jefferson (deist), washington (tolerant quaker), madison (personal christian but public libertarian) and others, you are NOT free to make me worship any god, or any way, that i don't want to.
dbaker683 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 11:07 PM
the point is that this nation *was not founded on a belief in god.* it was founded by men who believed in god but who also believed that theocratic rule or the idea that their god should be the sole and immutable guiding hand of the nation were terrible, terrible things (and they were right). they didn't express the desire that the citizens of the united states should be bound to worship their specific chosen deities; they wanted that all people should be free to pursue the blessings of their own higher power without fear of persecution. and whether you like that or not, as i said before: you DO NOT have the right to force anyone who worships differently from you to think otherwise.
dbaker683 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 11:00 PM
"liberal false information thing"

right. because what our founding fathers believed -- you know, the people who actually founded our country and defined its initial course -- is not at all verifiable with an internet search. fine, i'll play along.

1892: 116 years after the foundation of the country, 105 after the ratification of our constitution. who were the men behind these documents? let's find out.
dbaker683 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 11:00 PM
madison's belief in religious freedom, summed up perfectly:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2001/03/james-madison-and-religious-liberty
dbaker683 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 10:58 PM
jefferson:

Though he had a lifelong esteem for Jesus' moral teachings, Jefferson did not believe in miracles, nor in the divinity of Jesus. In a letter to deRieux in 1788, he declined a request to act as a godfather, saying he had been unable to accept the doctrine of the Trinity "from a very early part of my life."
dbaker683 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 10:55 PM
washington, from the account of his personal biographer's writings:
His daily "where and how my time is spent" enables us to know exactly how often he attended church, and in the year 1760 he went just sixteen times, and in 1768 he went fourteen, these years being fairly typical of the period 1760-1773.

Washington was an early supporter of religious toleration and freedom of religion. In 1775, he ordered that his troops not show anti-Catholic sentiments by burning the pope in effigy on Guy Fawkes Night.[45] When hiring workmen for Mount Vernon, he wrote to his agent, "If they be good workmen, they may be from Asia, Africa, or Europe; they may be Mohammedans [Muslims], Jews, or Christians of any sect, or they may be Atheists."
dbaker683 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 10:52 PM
"liberal false information thing"

right. because what our founding fathers believed -- you know, the people who actually founded our country and defined its initial course -- is not at all verifiable with an internet search. fine, i'll play along.

1892: 116 years after the foundation of the country, 105 after the ratification of our constitution. who wrote the constitution? let's find out.
iprazhm Wrote: Nov 12, 2012 10:39 PM
Wrong. There's that liberal false information thingy again.
"Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian." -United States Supreme Court 1892, Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States
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