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Rubio's Time Will Come

David3655 Wrote: Jun 28, 2012 9:48 AM
Rubio is a natural born citizen and is over 35. Get a grip. Just because his parents were not yet citizens does not matter and is not stated ANYWHERE in the constitution. You birther nuts need to settle down.
LAPhil Wrote: Jun 28, 2012 1:52 PM
I read that decision too, and these people who think it says one's parents had to be U.S. citizens in order for them to be U.S. citizens are all wet.
davidfarrar Wrote: Jun 28, 2012 1:06 PM
But an Art. II, § I, Cls 5 'natural' born Citizen isn't subject to the jurisdiction therein for their US citizenship status at birth; that's that's whole point of being "natural" born Citizen.

Only naturalized US citizens need to be 'subject t to the jurisdiction therein' to receive their US citizen, either at birth or at the age of majority. But neither are natural born US Citizens.

ex animo
Matthew492 Wrote: Jun 28, 2012 12:18 PM
Clearly, the 14th amendment trumps common law, and the plainest reading of it is that a person born in the united states is a natural born citizen regardless of their parents, as long as they are subject to the jurisdiction therein.

Under this standard, and understanding that Minor was not deciding this issue, but merely commenting on it, I think it is safe to argue that being born in the US to parents who are under the jurisdiction of the US is enough to make you a natural born citizen.
Matthew492 Wrote: Jun 28, 2012 12:16 PM
Your reliance on Minor is ill-placed. Minor was a case regarding whether females had a constitutional right to vote. The discussion of citizenship was dicta, not the case at issue, which means it is a look at the views of the court and how it pertains to the issue at hand, female right to vote, but not binding law or precedent.

Furthermore, the Minor court states that at COMMON LAW, a person was always considered a natural born citizen if they were born into the US and had two citizen parents. It also stated that even before the 14th amendment, at common law some people believed that simply being born in a country made you a natural born citizen, though this view was less widely held.

arpiem Wrote: Jun 28, 2012 9:53 AM
We're not so nutty. Read the Supreme Court decision, Minor v. Happersett, from 1875 which states that a natural-born citizen is someone born of two citizen parents, so you're the one who should get a grip. Neither Rubio nor obama is eligible, and now the Democrats have admitted it in court.

"Rubio, Rubio, Rubio."

You hear the chants all across the country. On talk shows, on cable TV, on blogs and in op-ed columns, everyone with a conservative bone in his body is urging presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney to choose the smart and dashing Marco Rubio as his vice president.

The conservative crowd's clamor for Rubio is beginning to worry me. It could backfire. For one thing, it's setting up Romney for a disaster.

If he doesn't choose Rubio -- and I would agree with that decision -- it's going to disappoint a lot of Republican voters who think Rubio is...