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Rampage Shootings: It's the Moral Decay of Society, not Guns

David3036 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 4:05 AM
I think I'll puke if I read one more article claiming a "moral decay of society." Were we more moral when black people were sent to the back of the bus, or earlier when they were slaves? Were we more moral when pregnant girls were sent away to "visit relatives" and forced to give up their babies for adoption? Were we more moral when women were expected to be in the kitechen and not in the workplace? Were we more moral when presidents entertained prostitutes in the White House? Were we more moral when gays were harassed and arrested in gay bars? When abortions were performed in back alleys instead of in clinics? When Native Americans were being forced onto reservations and people killed thousands of buffalo for sport?
Bob319 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 8:27 AM
first you have to understand that moral reflect what the current society is, not what was going on many years ago. generally accepted morals changed pretty slowly from one generation to another. the good news is that it took such a long time that no one felt that anything changed and everyone felt as moral as their grandparents. we have a different situation today where what is 'accepted' is happening in just a few years due to the current technology. we are in for a long time of folks knowing we have gone to hell and folks thinking we are on edge of heaven.
uwcharlie Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 7:53 AM
Well, David, you' ve just about exhonerated all the things you mentioned, including bringing in negatives about former mistreatment of blacks. Bringing up all the former evils our society does no good. And, I notice you didn't mention the greatest current evil of all, the wanton killing of millions of babies in the abortion clinics for the convenience of the "mothers". Time to remember what is moral and what is immoral! It may make you feel good to catalog all the past evils of the U.S., but we're now in different territory and its name is abortion. And, please, mistreatment of gays is in no way equivalent to the wanton murder of babies. Please, lets keep some balance here.
absinthe48 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 7:20 AM
David3036 is correct to the extent that his argument assumes that human nature does not change, at least within the short span of time that we call the historical era. Men (and women) are born evil according to Pauline doctrine, affirmed by Augustine and Luther. Most individual members of society are safer and more prosperous in eras when destructive behaviors are stigmatized by religious and social taboos. The real question is about which behaviors are destructive, and destructive of what. The Judeo-Christian ethic is an answer that has evolved over millenia and is not lightly to be dismissed.
annfan_777 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 6:23 AM
Dumber than dirt, and highly predictable.

The only difference between today's baby killers and yesterday's so-called "back alley butchers" is that today, they take credit cards and hang out signs. Women still die or are rendered sterile from LEGAL abortion.
annfan_777 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 6:26 AM
Legal abortion is the number one reason why you see an explosion of senseless violence everywhere in America.

When you condone and legalize the killing of your own children, which is VIOLENCE, don't expect that violence to remain inside the sterile walls of abortion killing centers.
anonymous Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 7:27 AM
The other difference is in the sheer numbers of babies being killed now and the fact that my tax dollars are going to pay for a murder(s) that I DO NOT CONDONE...
Nam65-66 Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 5:08 AM
When abortions were performed in back alleys,more people lived than died.

It should come as no surprise that the rate of mass shootings at schools and in other public places is increasing. The surge has nothing to do with guns, which have been widely available in the U.S. for years. Gun control laws have been increasing. Instead, there is a direct correlation between the increase in violence and the gradual degradation of morals, ethics and parenting. We are cultivating mental illness in our society.

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