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My Response to Your Inaugural Speech, Mr. President

David3036 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 2:58 PM
Why does everyone keep making this lame argument that accepting gays as equals under the law will lead to legalizing child abuse or bestiality? What is it about "informed consent" that you don't understand? ONLY adult males or females can give consent. Children cannot -- that's the law, and will always be the law. Whether you consider pedophilia to be an "orientation" or not is irrelevant, because if a pedophile acts on his attraction to children he is a criminal. And I have yet to meet an animal that could say "My place or yours?" We have laws against abusing animals too.
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 3:41 PM
Pedos are already trying to ride the coattails of the gay-rights movement and to lower age-consent laws. If you take age-consent laws out of the way, there is NO gay-rights argument that can't be applied to pedophilia as well.

One abnormal sexual behavior can't be treated differently from others without practitioners of the others wanting to follow suit. That's just how it works.

BTW, the issue is not "accepting gays as equals under the law." They already are equals under the law, which includes being held to the same standards regarding marriage as others. They want something beyond equality.
James2517 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 4:29 PM
Homosexuality is not an "abnormal sexual behavior". It is a minority orientation. Same sex marriage involves 2 consenting adults. Marriage between an adult and a child - be they of same or opposite sex does not involve 2 consenting adults. We have laws for age of consent just as we have laws for child labor, alcohol and tobacco consumption, military service, etc. How do you come up with a link between marriage equality and attempts to lower age of consent? Ironically, it is red states that have lower age of consent laws. You really have to do something about your obsessive homophobia there DCM. Go out and enjoy the nice weather and stop worrying about what gay people are doing.
retiredcoach Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 4:43 PM
I want every commentator here to describe and explain to me how anyone claiming to be gay can receive special rights and recognition for their chosen behavior?
There are those who choose to practice bestiality,polygamy,and pedophilia, and toe sucking or whatever!
Absolute every sex act listed here cannot be proven to be innate and immutable! They are NOT BORN THAT WAY- and cannot say that they have no control of these actions!
David3036 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 11:17 PM
Various states already have different ages of consent, and they can be changed if that's what the people want. But don't expect that consent laws will ever be removed altogether. If there is a "movement" to lower them, as you say (which I haven't seen except from NAMBLA, which is a VERY small group), it will have very limited success, if any. I could see them changing by a year or so, but not more than than.

Don't assume every time some wacko suggests a particlular change that there's a groundswell of support for it. There isn't. Gay rights, on the other hand, now have overwhelming public support. Face it -- you're now a minority in your opinions.
Beethovens10th Wrote: Jan 24, 2013 9:41 PM
David,
I know you've heard about this, although you will pretend that you didn't, but a psychological advocacy organization for pedophiles called B4U-ACT just held a symposium in Baltimore on what you just said is not in the cards. They are DEAD SERIOUS about removing the stigma of pedophilia, by first softening the language. They are now known as "minor attracted persons."

Isn't that nice?
David3036 Wrote: Jan 24, 2013 11:45 PM
Yes, I know. And I also know that only 38 people attended that conference. If, as they state, their goal is to "create understanding" and remove the stigma, I see nothing wrong with that, because the media and the religious establish often use the terms pedophiled and child molestor interchangably. The reality is that there are many "minor-attracted people" who don't commit abuse.
David3036 Wrote: Jan 25, 2013 12:28 AM
Sorry for all the typos. I was rushing tthrough that post. But my point is that creating understanding of people who are attracted to children does not mean that we condone sex with children or that there is any chance it will be legalized. In fact, the visceral reaction of the rightist media to that confernce only serves to illustrate how quickly we judge without having all the facts.

How people develop sexually is a mystery and we ought to try to understand it, not simply label folks as sinners and ostracize them. The vast majority of pedophiles -- which refers to attraction, not behavior -- have not committed any crimes. If B4U-ACT means to "THINK before you act," isn't that a good thing?

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