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Going over the Moral Cliff

David3036 Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 2:36 AM
What a useless string of words! First, Youseff tells us that morality is lost when we abandon thinking and logic. Then he advocates for "biblical morality," which is anything BUT logical. With its support of slavery, polygamy, holy wars and the subjugation of women, the Bible is far from being a "logical" source for developing a moral code. And where is this "widespread agreement" that we're going over a moral cliff? I don't see it. Were we more moral when we sent black people to the back of the bus? Were we more moral when we sent pregnant teens away to "visit relatives" and made them give up their babies? Were we more moral when women were considered the property of men and fathers arranged loveless marriages for their daughters?
DCM in FL Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 7:51 AM
"With its support of slavery, polygamy, holy wars and the subjugation of women" - Gotta love that Biblical ignorance. (1) "Slavery" in the Bible doesn't equal what we think of when we hear the word. (2) Polygamy was allowed (certainly more than any same-sexual activity) but never "supported." (3) Holy wars? Sometimes war is necessary; "war" doesn't equal "bad." (4) Subjugation? No, just recognizing their natural role. "Subjugation" is what NT Christianity set women free from.
Wandered Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 2:44 PM
(1)Even if we accept that they may have been treated better (which I don't) , that does not address the immorality of claiming to "own" another. The fact that the Bible didn't point this out supports the idea that humans often mistake their own attitudes for divine commands. Further, the Bible says slavery a bad thing if your slave is Hebrew. The racial or religious identity of a slave doesn't impact the immorality of the institution. (2) "Allowed" = "supported". Either a righteous deity condemns the immoral practice or not. If mixing fabrics is called out as an abomination, the fact the slavery is not equates to support.
Wandered Wrote: Jan 23, 2013 2:45 PM
(3) "Holy wars" do not make sense if a deity is omnipotent. Such a deity would not need its "chosen people" to go to war to accomplish its will. (4) "Natural Role" is another euphemism for subjugation. Telling women to shut up in church is not setting them free. Your roles are not and should not be determined by your genitalia.

In my book, When the Crosses are Gone, I warn that when a culture abandons thinking and logic in favor of feelings and emotions, it is doomed to destruction. Although emotions are a very important part of the human psyche, when they control every aspect of life, morality becomes a victim.

Today, there is widespread agreement that morality in America is deteriorating with breathtaking speed.

On one hand, we face a belligerent and intimidating lobby that desires the breakdown of biblical morality. On the other hand, a docile public—as well as church leadership—is terrified to stand up for truth lest...