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Gay Marriage and the Definition of Words

David3036 Wrote: May 13, 2012 3:03 PM
I'm tired of hearing that few gays want to be married. Straight marriage rates are also declining. So would you expect that an established subculture would change its focus overnight? Ir really makes no difference what the numbers are, because marriage is for those who are committed and want the protections of marriage for each other or for a family they may be raising. It is for my friends who have been together for 45 years and raised children together. The younger partner who was the stay-at-home dad suffers from early-stage alzheimers, and if his breadwinner partner dies he will have to live on his own meager Social Security benefit. A wife could collect on her husband's larger benefit, but gay couples are cheated out of that benefit.
Jay Wye Wrote: May 13, 2012 6:39 PM
This is all about the REDEFINITION of "marriage" to be something it's never been,and thus FORCING other states to recognize the abomination via Article IV,sec 1.

Of course,some people IGNORE the second part of Article IV,sec 1;
"and the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts,Records,and Proceedings shall be proved,and the Effect thereof."
Congress "prescribed the manner" by enacting DOMA.
THAT alone allows DOMA to be Constitutional.

Congress is SPECIFICALLY given the power to decide,and they did.
inkling_revival Wrote: May 13, 2012 3:15 PM
As for your anecdotes, gays always have them, but they're always in conflict with the results of peer-reviewed research. Gays also coordinate and plan their answers for public advocacy. So not only do I not think your friends with 45 years' tenure and having raised kids are the norm, I don't think they even exist. What are their names? In what state did they meet? Where did their kids go to school?

Short version: I think that like every gay activist I've ever crossed swords with, you are making stuff up for debate.
inkling_revival Wrote: May 13, 2012 3:13 PM
(1) "Straight marriage rates are also declining."

Yes. Down to around 30% now, isn't it? That's still a full order of magnitude above what gays want. Sorry, you're arguing against a fact, and you'll lose every time.

(2) "would you expect that an established subculture would change its focus overnight?"

The survey I'm quoting did not ask about "marriage," it asked about "long-term relationship." That requires no change in the established subculture, as long-term relationship has always been possible and legal.

Homosexuality is a compulsive, sexual disorder and dysfunctional relationship skills is one of the common symptoms.

Joseph64 Wrote: May 13, 2012 3:13 PM
Are you even listening? The federal government can also pass laws giving the same rights to homosexual couples. Open your ears. The reason you don't want that is because it's not about equal rights at all, it's about flaunting your gay lifestyle in the faces of heterosexuals. If both the state and federal governments granted equal rights to homosexual relationships tomorrow, that still wouldn't be enough for you.
David3036 Wrote: May 13, 2012 3:10 PM
If they ARE allowed to marry at some point after nearly half a century together, it won't make really make a difference because a marriage recognized by the state, because of the Defense of Marriage Act, is not recognized by the federal government for puposes of Social Secufity, tax law, immigration, veterans benefits, etc.
Joseph64 Wrote: May 13, 2012 3:07 PM
All the things that you say gays want can be codified into law without altering the definition of marriage.

Gay marriage is an issue most Americans simply don’t care about. We have opinions on it, but it simply doesn’t register, especially at a time of high unemployment. But President Obama shoehorned it into the forefront this week because he can’t talk about the economy, jobs, his record, the massive debt he racked up or anything he’s done since assuming office except ordering the raid against bin Laden. And that party was last week, so a new distraction from reality was needed.

To be clear, what the president said means nothing. It won’t change any law anywhere. And the...