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Men, including pastors, stray because they're horny, not because they're lonely. Churches usually want so much to a avoid a public scandal that they try to cover up the indiscretions, and it usually backfires. The Roman church' talks tough about dealing with pedophile priests, but they still want to handle the cases within the church instead of calling the cops. Bishop Eddie Long of the New Birth Missionary Baptist Church was accused in 2010 of coercing two young men, ages 17 and 18, into several sexual encounters. Two more men surfaced later, making the same charge. Initially, Long said he would fight the charges as David fought Goliath. But his church settled the cases out of court for an estimated $15-25 million, then tried to get back the initial million-dollar payment when the accusers violated a confidentiality agreement. To me, that means that hushing up the scandal was a more important motive for the payout than was compassion for the victims. After Ted Haggard was outed by a male prostitute he had paid for gay sex monthly for three years, it was revealed that he also masturbated in a hotel room in front of a young man in his New Life Church, and that church board members were paying the man’s college tuition as “hush money.” They called it “compassionate assistance” but it was contingent upon him keeping his silence about Haggard..
Of course he has broken a sweat -- on the golf course and the basketball court.
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David3036 Wrote: Oct 21, 2014 3:40 PM
So how does the practice of having multiple wives square with Christians' contention that one-man, one-woman marriage has been the norm for thousands of years? And, since men didn't marry their concubines, doesn't that tell you that sex outside of marriage was not frowned upon by the church?
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David3036 Wrote: Oct 21, 2014 3:34 PM
It depends on which "Christian principles" you refer to. The problem is that instead of following the principle we call "the Golden Rule" (which did not originate with Christianity, by the way) or the commandment to "love one another," many Christians choose instead to obey the letter of the law as stated in the Old Testament. They would never agree to carry out the prescribed death penalties for those so-called abominations in Mosaid law, but they use them as weapons against certain groups such as gays. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 says, “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear." So, is stoning of children a Christian principle or not? How do you decide which Christian principles to obey?
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David3036 Wrote: Oct 21, 2014 3:16 PM
"Resolved' is the wrong word. They are explained away, as anyone who has ever taken a Bible-study class should be aware of. It is practically in the job description or a theologian or a theology instructor to explain away all the stuff that makes no sense.
Getting married is an "ungodlly act"? One of the biggest problems I have with religious people is that they all think they speak for their god.
Expect some cases like this one to be brought in Las Vegas as well. The ACLU is already targeting some of those commercial "chapels" that are saying they won't marry gay couples.
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David3036 Wrote: Oct 21, 2014 1:30 PM
Bruce, what complicates it is the notion that the scripture can't be wrong and the pope is infallible. The simple fact that there are numerous contradictions in the Bible should tell us that the scriptures are OFTEN wrong. They were written by men who had a very limited view of the world, of science and of human nature. The average eighth-grader of today has more knowledge to draw on than those biblical authors.
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David3036 Wrote: Oct 21, 2014 1:23 PM
Religion itself brings chaos to the world. Most wars are fought over religious differences. The treatment of women and gays is religion-based. Atrocities from the Salem witchcraft trials to the Spanish Inquisition and modern-day terrorists have been motivated by religion.
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David3036 Wrote: Oct 21, 2014 1:17 PM
The doctrine of the church does not change? Boy, do YOU need some lessons in the history of your faith! For more than half half of the church's history, Catholic priests were allowed to have multiple wives and concubines. Pope Benedict VIII banned the practice in 1022.
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