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'Fiscal' Conservatism Needs 'Social' Conservatism

David238 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 9:39 AM
Dennis Prager is missing something important --- Libertarians are NOT in favor of "separation of economic and social values". We just have a different set of social values than the religious right. We believe in Liberty as a core value. This means that everyone is free to do as they please as long as their actions don't directly impose on the Liberty of others. We believe that valuing Liberty is the most logically consistent philosophy. After all, if someone can impose their will upon others in terms of marriage, or how a person spends their free time (e.g. gambling, drinking, etc.), or dictating a belief in God, then you are no different from a Democrat who imposes their leftist agenda upon others.
Corbett_ Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 10:41 AM
But as Prager points out, a belief in liberty is not enough. Experience has taught us that the more secular a society is, the less liberty it has.
Chester1776 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:31 PM
Does that apply to Hong Kong? Experience has also taught us that in many human societies the more religious the society is, the less liberty it has (e.g. Puritanical America).
arvamus Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:08 PM
The two societies built specifically on lack of religion were Soviet Russia and Red China that between them killed 60 million and locked up hundreds of millions more. Tell us about their freedoms.
David238 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 1:58 PM
They were also built on the theory of Communism. They wanted to impose their will on the population at large from a leftist standpoint.

The fundamentalist Muslims want to impose their will on the population at large from a religious/rightist standpoint.

I prefer the middle ground were Liberty is protected and cherished and no one tries to impose their will on everyone else.
goldilocks Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 9:48 AM
David, well said.

I am also a libertarian now.
ConcealedCarry Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 11:26 AM
agitator, define libertarian...
goldilocks Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:28 PM
A Libertarian believes in individual rights and freedoms.
For some years now, we have been told about a major division within American conservatism: fiscal conservatives vs. social conservatives.

This division is hurting conservatism and hurting America -- because the survival of American values depends on both fiscal and social conservatism. Furthermore, the division is logically and morally untenable. A conservative conserves all American values, not just economic ones.

By "social conservatism," I am referring to the second and third components of what I call the American Trinity -- liberty, "In God We Trust" and "E Pluribus Unum."

It is worth noting that a similar bifurcation does not exist on the left. One...

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