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Parting Company

David1763 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 10:48 AM
The war of 1861 started over taxes. Ft Sumter was the taxing authority for the port of Charleston. It's guns and ships enforced the tax laws on imports and exports to the United States. When the South succeeded, the fort refused to go along giving Lincoln a cause to go to war. Today, economics holds us together: the redistribution of wealth from one state to another. Can a state survive without federal tax dollars? Well yes, we simply hold on to the tax flow going to Washington DC and use it for ourselves. That would enrich some states and others would suffer a slight loss. Unscrambling the mess would be the biggest problem. Moving to block grants would be a good intermediate step and allow us to get the systems in place.
Younger Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 11:09 AM
The South did not succeed. Individual states seceded, but their secession was not successful.
Major Anderson refused to surrender the fort.
David1763 Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 11:45 AM
South Carolina had threaten to secede from the Union in the 1830's but Pres. Jackson threatened to lead the army himself, and the rebellion movement died. Would the movement of 1861 have been different had the South just starved the fort into submission or taken some other less direct method of taking control?

In other arguments the Supreme Court's ruling are quoted. One of the primary reasons for considering secession is that the Supreme Court itself is binding itself to previous decisions even when these decisions are blatantly unconstitutional. The concept of the Constitution being the ruling document has been forgotten by all three branches of the US government.
Corbett_ Wrote: Nov 28, 2012 11:06 AM
What few people know is that Lincoln said that he South was welcome to secede as long as they still paied federal taxes.
For decades, it has been obvious that there are irreconcilable differences between Americans who want to control the lives of others and those who wish to be left alone. Which is the more peaceful solution: Americans using the brute force of government to beat liberty-minded people into submission or simply parting company? In a marriage, where vows are ignored and broken, divorce is the most peaceful solution. Similarly, our constitutional and human rights have been increasingly violated by a government instituted to protect them. Americans who support constitutional abrogation have no intention of mending their ways.

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