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A Godly Man in an Ungodly Age

David1334 Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 10:27 AM
Why does the Roman Church not excommunicate the likes of Biden and Pelosi?
jkash1776 Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 11:44 PM
Excommunication happens whether it is officially declared by the church or never done so. Excommunication is done by the Catholic him/herself the minute that they create heresy and grave sin which separates them from God. Excommunication by the church is not meant to punish but to help the person see their sin so that they can return by repenting and being forgiven.

And there is no secrecy about any of this.

As for Pelosi: In San Francisco there is a strong and radical group in the archdiocese who have been ruling the roost for decades. They are LIVID that the new archbishop is the friendliest guy in the world with a great success record, amazing mind...and SUPER traditional values.

Archbishop Cordileone doesn't back down.
IndeePendent Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 10:31 PM
Why stop with Biden and Pelosi? Washington is chocked full of "faux Catholics" like Kerry, Mikulski, Sebelius, Durban, Menendez (the teenage Dominican protitutes favorite "john") and anyone from the Kennedy Klan. A "faux Catholic goes to Mass on Sunday and votes for abortion funding for Planned (un)Parenthood on Monday. I'm just guessing but I think these "faux Catholics" are not going to enjoy the lowest circle of Hell (see Dante's "Inferno")
PatriotAfire Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 1:00 PM
Indeed, the Church has failed to stand against the powers that be. The Church has allowed these individuals like Biden and Pelosi and John Kerry to parade and use their religion to bolster their credibility. They should have been excommunicated or at least denied the sacraments as soon as they acknowledged their pro-abortion and same-sex marriage beliefs. The Church has not stood boldly for the beautiful truths that were and still are at the core of the Rock of Christ. It is small wonder that our youth no longer attend Mass when the priests, way too many of them, are mealy-mouthed cowards in the pulpit.
Winkmeister (Formerly David) Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 8:53 PM
Indeed, you have never lifted a hand to help either. Do you need help gathering stones to throw?
jkash1776 Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 11:56 PM
You are a joy to read,Winkmeister.
Mellisa55 Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 12:25 PM
I wish I knew that answer, myself. I am excommunicated because I married a Christian who is not a Roman Catholic... yet, I am far more like a Roman Catholic in outlook than Biden or Pelosi. I don't mind that I can't receive communion, I've a very happily married woman for 37 yrs... but it makes NO sense that either of those people - or the Kennedy clan - who are one and all misfits and criminals - are Catholics in good standing, none at all!
Winkmeister (Formerly David) Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 8:52 PM
I don't know where you got that excommunication. That's in your mind. Go talk to your priest and get back into RCIA classes. I have three extraordinary ministers (communion ministers) that their husbands are Protestants.

jkash1776 Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 11:55 PM
Melissa they are not in good standing. If someone sins in the desert and there is no church to proclaim them excommunicated they are every bit excommunicated. Excommunication is not the church's province, it is the voluntary rejection of the Catholic doctrines by the person.
Excommunication is merely an invitation to get right with God through confession. No need to blare it to the world or be held up for ridicule. We all sin. We all need God's mercy but those of us in good standing simply follow the doctrines. No one HAS to.
jkash1776 Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 11:56 PM
Winkmeister, it's not her fault. The present day bishops agree that catechesis the last 50 years has been woefully inadequate.
Corbett_ Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 10:57 AM
Because for centuries, the Roman Catholic Church has been more about political power than Christ. These people are politicians and as such will never be disciplines by the RCC.
Winkmeister (Formerly David) Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 11:18 AM
How sanctimonious of you Corbett. Appreciate your intellectual insight.

I will be you never have attended a Mass let alone have gone through catechism.
IsraelFirsterSecond Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 11:27 AM
Right on with that one Corbett.
dan17 Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 1:34 PM
Religion does not corrupt man; man corrupts religion.
William... Carpinteria CA Wrote: Feb 12, 2013 10:44 AM
What is needed is a rebirth of the Church's actual ceremony of excommunication. Don't just say it, do it.
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