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Majority of Democrats Don't Support Israel Defense Against Hamas

Darrell38 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 6:30 PM
If anyone in the US thinks that this is just another round of rocket flinging / Israeli retaliation, then they should think again. The re-election of Obama put Israel in the unenviable spot of providing their own defense, without American support. They are, as they always have, acting proactively; they are securing their own homeland borders before they strike out against their deadlier enemy: Iran. Hamas themselves cannot extinguish Israel, but you can be damn sure Iran can if given enough time to finish their nuclear program.
Tea Party in Wisconsin formerlyTea Party Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 11:06 PM
Which is exactly Barry's plan, start the Arab Spring rollling so Israel is surrounded by deadly enemies and keep Israel in a box so his Muslim Brotherhood Brethren and other terrorists can wipe Israel off the map. He will learn a hard and deadly lesson and I pray GOD will remember the prayers of His people there and here so we are not brought down with a curse. as He promised Abraham 'I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you." We have a 13 part documentary Against All Odds which relates all the protection the Israeli's rec'd since they became a nation again, MIRACLES of GOD..
wtmoore1 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 11:38 PM
Wow.

When the right stops waiting for the modern version of the parting of the Red Sea, then we can have a rational conversation about foreign policy...

Until then, it's hard to talk to someone who uses quotes from the Old Testament as their political argument.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 9:16 PM
Israel does NOT need our help in protecting itself from Hamas.

While the rocket fire is dangerous to individual Israeli's in border cities, it's not exactly like these little rockets are posing a greater national security risk. The larger ones are intercepted by Israel's iron dome, and the smaller ones are more tactical shots at civilian areas to anger and provoke Israel into retaliating in a way that will bring condemnation from the Arab world. The last thing they need to do is overreact, especially given that most of the rocket strikes are being launched from areas in Gaza that are heavily populated with civilians.

Israel or the U.S. could strike Iran at any time. Hamas has no effect on that capability. It's about the WISDOM of it.
Tea Party in Wisconsin formerlyTea Party Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 11:01 PM
Israel needs our spare parts to maintain their planes and Obama is holding that over them about any attack on Iran that they plan. BUT remember the Pharoah of Exodus, he ignored GOD ALMIGHTY to his peril and this 21st Century Pharoah is no different..like the first one he believes he is equal to God and is about to dip his toes in the Red Sea..
wtmoore1 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 11:16 PM
I don't actually remember the Pharaoh in Exodus because I wasn't there. Unfortunately, I only know what I read about the event after it happened.

But I can say, that I'm not sure if we should be basing our foreign policy on a literal reading of the Old Testament.
Darrell38 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 11:32 PM
You miss the point: Israel is securing their own homeland's borders before it takes on Iran.

Consider this: It hasn't happened yet, but what if those small annoyances you call "tactical shots at civilian areas" were tipped with something like sarin or phosgene gas. No more are they just trying to "anger and provoke Israel into retaliating in a way that will bring condemnation from the Arab world" now, are they?

NEWS FLASH: No action was ever necessary to have the Arab world condemn Israel; that's the Arab's natural default.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 11:43 PM
I didn't miss the point. It's called being tongue and cheek about biblical references because I can't take them seriously.

"No action was ever necessary to have the Arab world condemn Israel; that's the Arab's natural default."

And that would be the default position from the right. Which is why a meaningful conversation about the Middle East is not possible. They simply see Arab-Muslims as evil, as their "natural default." There isn't much you can do to convince someone who clings to that belief without actually examining facts.

Any facts can be easily discounted by those unwilling to look past their own bias.
Darrell38 Wrote: Nov 20, 2012 2:46 AM
I think you are conflating messages from different posters; as to TPinW's remarks, whatever.

And yes you did miss MY point-- it's not about the "WISDOM of it." Israel is gearing up for a real, region-wide war, one that they plan on finishing.

Let's try a little thought-experiment (it was good enough for Einstein): 1947...the nation of Israel is established and recognized by the UN. The response of the other Mid-east nations is one of welcome.

Do you think that Israel's 'default position' on their Arab neighbors would be, as you yourself state, one of evil? I contend probably not-- the point being that after sixty-five years of Arab belligerence the Israelis have every reason to consider them evil.

A new CNN poll shows only 40 percent of Democrats support Israel's response to Hamas launching repeatedly rockets into their country.

"Although most Americans think the Israeli actions are justified, there are key segments of the public who don't necessarily feel that way," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Only four in ten Democrats think the Israeli actions in Gaza are justified, compared to 74% of Republicans and 59% of independents. Support for Israel's military action is 13 points higher among men than among women, and 15 points higher among older Americans than among younger Americans."

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