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Before We Give Up, Could We At Least Try Selling Our Ideas?

Dante9 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 2:13 PM
The GOP will remain the "stupid party" until they final GET that when the is nothing more than blinding glimpses of the obvious that Hispanics can't be "better sold" the idea that an amnesty compromise -- which they uniformally desire - is not in there best interest long-term, or that the otherwise conservative pro-choice woman is going to have to just rust the GOP platform against ALL abortions is just lip service and that the poor are surely better served EVENTUALLY by the inane trickle down theory. Stupid is as stupid believes. And as the last election season, particularly the primaries proves, as stupid does. It's easy to sell something worth buying you idiots.
Verbivore Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 2:51 PM
"stupid is a stupid believes." you set the example of that you believe selling your soul is a smart option. you drank the koolaid. A lump of coal doesn't look so pretty, but has far more value than your shiny pretty things.
Dante9 Wrote: Nov 13, 2012 3:18 PM
Of course, I don't think having socially liberal views as meaning I have sold my soul. You do, but you and your party are also on the outside looking in. (I am a lifelong Independent, by the way, who votes for fiscall conservative, but socially evolved GOP candidates or moderate DEMs when their challengers are trogladytes, as sadly so many are.

The example I set is that just about whomever I vote for invaribly wins.
We conservatives may never reach a consensus among ourselves as to the main factors that caused our election defeat, but surely we can agree that we must do a better job of selling our ideas.

Never mind, you say. The electorate has irreversibly become a taker class, and conservative ideas of self-reliance, personal responsibility and individual liberties will never appeal to a majority again, especially with demographics working against the GOP.

We must reject that, or we are as good as surrendering. To accept it, we are confessing our skepticism of the power of ideas, which itself is contrary to the conservative spirit.