In response to:

Assault Weapons: Facts vs. Fiction

Danny252 Wrote: Jul 29, 2012 6:00 PM
Sigh. Even a pundit with with his heart in the right place hasn't a clue about firearms. The AR-15, M16 and similar weapons all use the 5.56 cartridge, which is identical to the .223 Remington. It is a wimpy cartridge with a 40-60 grain projectile, a muzzle velocity on the order of 3000-3500fps, and a muzzle energy on the order of 1000-1300 foot pounds. The round used in the AK-47 and its clones is on the same order, with a heavier projectile of 120-150 grains, slightly slower at around 2300-2400fps and slightly more energetic at 1500-1800 foot pounds. Neither is anything special, and using these rounds for hunting big game, especially the 5.56/ .223, would be irresponsible.
Barry165 Wrote: Jul 29, 2012 10:04 PM
One has to realize why the military wants that size of supposed inadequate ammo. Because that size of ammo will likely just wound a opponent on the feild of battle. At that point it then takes likely 2 if not 3 other combatents out of play to tend and or move the wounded off the battle field, along with other resources behind the lines. Beds full of wounded tend to demoralize the enemy also.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jul 29, 2012 7:18 PM
many states prohibit use of the .223 round for deer hunting.

OTOH,Norway allowed their Brevik murderer a permit to buy a Ruger Ranch Rifle in .223 for deer hunting.He had to join a gun club to get permission to buy his handguns.
Bubbalou Wrote: Jul 29, 2012 6:41 PM
The 5.56 and .223 are not identical. Those who have been shot with these rounds have a different oponion than yours.
Imiss40 Wrote: Jul 29, 2012 6:54 PM
The 5.56 is a hotter load. The bullet was designed to tumble upon entry.

As a military round it was designed to badly wound rather than kill, as when a soldier is wounded it removes two or three people from the field of battle (the wounded soldier and one or two to carry him off) rather than an outright kill that removes only one.

The trouble was that the NVA and Viet Cong sucked up the losses and attacked without regard to casualites - cleaning up after the battle. Dead and wounded NVA & Viet Cong were seldom found on the field after a battle. Calculations had to be made to estimate their casualties based upon those bodies found.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jul 29, 2012 7:22 PM
it's my understanding that the chambering for .223 is slightly different than for NATO 5.56.
Different tolerances,IIRC.
enough that you can have difficult extraction of empties using one in the other.
An experienced handloader would know for sure.
alopekos teumesios Wrote: Jul 29, 2012 10:11 PM
I would suspect that most of those who have been shot with these rounds have no opinion at all anymore. :-)
RVNUSMC Wrote: Jul 30, 2012 6:35 AM
It's not a "tumble" but a slight "wobble" that causes the damage . . .
Paulus Textor Wrote: Jul 29, 2012 6:34 PM
I don't own either an AK-47 or an AR-15. It think the gist of your point is that their rounds are too small to be used for big game (it would be cruel to wound the animal without killing it). Correct?

I think he also uses the term "magazine" when he really means "cartridge," but I'm being needlessly picky in pointing it out.....
Original Saepe__Expertus Wrote: Jul 29, 2012 8:55 PM
NOPE...There is a difference between 'magazine' and 'cartridge', AND CLIP. The AK-47 and the AR-15 types use a magazine. It is an enclosed structure that is filled with round. When one is empty, you release it and put in another. A 'cartridge' is often used synonymously with 'round' or 'bullet; the cartridge is the brass case which holds the powder, primer and bullet. A 'clip' is a metal housing which one loads rounds; think of the M-1 Garand. You fire eight rounds and the clip pops out when empty; then you reload with another clip and keep shooting.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jul 29, 2012 9:15 PM
.223 is a "varmint" cartridge. or small deer,depending on state.
also,it depends on what your definition of "big game" is; most people consider "big game" to be bears,elk,moose,lions,elephants,Cape Buffalo,etc. No way a .223cal or 7.62x39 mm would be lawfully used for hunting those animals.
Jay Wye Wrote: Jul 29, 2012 9:20 PM
magazines are metal boxes with a spring to feed ammo.
a clip(properly; stripper clip) is a spring-metal channel that holds the base of the cartridge,several cartridges usually in a row.(or moon-clips for revolvers..circular.)
the rifle strips off a round for chambering.
cmiller Wrote: Jul 29, 2012 10:50 PM
A "clip" is a device used to load a magazine. The Garand has an internal magazine
and uses a spring steel clip to load the magazine en bloc. Rifles like the AR-15 can use stripper clips to load their external box magazines en bloc.
Using clip and magazine correctly seperates the rest of us from the ignorant gangbanger.

It’s not much of an exaggeration to say that John Lott has changed the national debate on gun control. His rigorous research and prolific pen have exposed the slip-shod analysis of anti-Constitution advocates.

I’ve cited his work on several occasions.