"They try to work with clients based on the clients moral values because that is what they will act on." I believe a whorehouse can say the same. I

AmyD, you described yourself as "pro-choice" (sighs back to you). Slavery was once legal but many folks back then were adamantly opposed to it---they were not pro-choice just because it was legal. Rounding up Jews and systematically exterminating them was once legal. Could a person have personally not agreed with the law of Nazi Germany but, because those actions were legal, considered themselves "pro-choice" about whether Jews lived or died--perhaps even "followed the law"? These are accurate anologies if you believe a human life in the womb is exactly that---a human life. 54 million killings of innocent human lives since Roe--4 thousand+ a day-- is not something to be taken lightly. It is, in fact, a holocaust of historic proportion.

Yes but being a killer is illegal. Is it simply that you don't view the killing of a less than fully developed human life in the womb the same as you would view the killing of a less than fully developed human life outside the womb?

AmyD, I've read your posts for quite some time and am impressed with your methodical and intelligent debating and, for the most part, I usually agree with your positions but I am taken aback that you are pro-death (that is what the choice is). I used to be but after a lot of thinking, reading and soul-searching, I could no longer justify it. I believe the Constitutions' primary affirmation of the right to life extends to human life at all stages of life---especially the completely innocent stage of life in the womb. I would be respectfully interested in your reasoning behind your position.

Anyone who uses the image of Che in a positive way is afflicted with weapons grade stupidity.

Ron Paul has not only been endorsed by a racist, he has endorsed one himself in the person of Cynthia McKinney when she ran on the Green Party ticket in 2008.......racist and all around America-hating full blown kook. See; http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ron%20paul%202008%20endorsement%20of%20cynthia%20mckinney&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redstate.com%2Fleon_h_wolf%2F2011%2F12%2F21%2Fron_paul_hates_republicans_and_everything_they_stand_for%2F&ei=lif-TpS6FNKqsAKi5cTYDA&usg=AFQjCNFzaHwKYlklW7JjDsSUFAWaEYx4rw

My guess is you are not an employer, Chris. E-verify is free and it is really easy to use. No one is suggesting that employers arrest or even report illegals---just not hire them. Employers do background checks on job applicants all the time and turn them down for a variety of reasons. Being ineligible to legally work in this country really ought to be a good reason not to hire someone, wouldn't you agree?

Let me ask you something, Couts.....do you wring your hands about American families that are separated when a parent commits a crime and is sent to prison? As another poster pointed out, they can take their kids with them. And you can stuff your Hitler comparison. That is a common tactic of the left and will be used against any conservative (even though liberals ignorantly are unaware that Hitler was a leftist).

I wonder if you are just as willing to give American citizen lawbreakers a pass. "Illegal" would tend to indicate that their mere presence in this country makes them criminals. I assure you, if you enter Mexico illegally and are caught, you WILL be treated as a criminal even though you are just as human as a Mexican.

What about illegal aliens of Chinese descent....illegal aliens from Islamic countries....African illegals? Are Hispanic illegals not as "illegal"? Sorry, I don't buy your "realistic solution". My realistic solution will work much better; it's called attrition through enforcement and it works like this----enforce the laws already on the books, make E-verify mandatory so the jobs magnet goes away, do away with all tax-payer benefits to illegals and interpret the 14th Amend. correctly to stop the rediculous practice of giving citizenship to anchor babies and most illegals will self-deport. Those that don't will eventually be caught and jailed for a good stretch before being tossed out. I will agree with you on sealing the border, though.