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Who Failed Chicago?

dan17 Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 12:04 PM
All this arguing about who is responsible for the mess we are in is totally irrelevant to fact that everyday, as a people, we are losing not only our liberty, but our very souls. Who is responsible? We all are. Our nation was founded on the self evident truths outlined in the Declaration of Independence. However, human nature has evolved slowly compared to man's civilizations. At bottom, we are the product of millions of years of an evolving basic animal instinct for survival. That savagery still exists in the heart of mankind. Our founders recognized that fact and tried to put together a system of government that would literally protect us from ourselves. They warned that it was not perfect and that no government can be anything other
dan17 Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 12:05 PM
than a necessary evil. Hence the explicit enumeration and strict limitations placed on it by the Constitution. Unfortunately, time, and in this case, a lack of diligence has a way of eroding all things. Our human weakness is the rot eating away at the very foundation of our society. The coming economic crash will bring anarchy to America. Anarchy will bring martial law. This soft tyranny that we are experiencing now will turn into a hard tyranny and America will never be the same again. So be it!

inkling_revival Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 12:11 PM
You do realize, don't you, that evolution was not part of the original thinking underlying the US Constitution, and that it has no relevance in this discussion?

I'll accept your inclusion of the relative speeds of biological evolution and societal change as your way of accepting thoughts that are really, at their root, religious thoughts.

But it's not necessary, and it's probably not accurate. I do see evidence that human institutions change over time, but they change in ways that reflect the religious and social systems they practice; it has nothing provable to do with biological evolution. I see no evidence that change in earth's biosphere has anything to do with change in social and moral systems.
dan17 Wrote: Feb 13, 2013 12:18 PM
I did not say that. At least it was not my intent. I simply meant that human nature has not changed, and we are essentially savages dressed up in the contrivances of civilization. A civil society is absolutely necessary to protect us from each other.
On Tuesday, President Obama and the first lady used the State of the Union spotlight to pay tribute to an innocent teenage girl shot and killed by Chicago gang thugs. On Friday, Obama will travel to the Windy City to decry violence and crusade for more gun laws in the town with the strictest gun laws and bloodiest gun-related death tolls in America.

Does the White House really want to open up a national conversation about the state of Chicago? OK, let's talk.

Obama, his wife, his campaign strategists, his closest cronies and his biggest bundlers all hail from Chicago. Senior adviser and...