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The Real Root of Atheists' Anti-Christmas Rage

dan17 Wrote: Dec 02, 2012 9:57 PM
The spirit of the universe, that is to say the spirit of God, dwells in the soul of all living things. Man has evolved to the point of beginning to conceptualize and appreciate that presence. Hawkins takes us back to the beginning, where he says there is nothing more. The concept of nothing cannot be grasped by the human mind, and therefore is relegated to the unknown. Judeo-Christian belief in God fills that gap in our knowledge; as does any other faith based system throughout the rest of the world. There really is no conflict between religion and science. Science simply seeks to explain and understand the universe, while religion seeks to make peace with it.
Birdman III Wrote: Dec 02, 2012 10:00 PM
Who says all things have souls? God takes us back to the beginning. Before the beginning what was there? How does something come from nothing?
dan17 Wrote: Dec 02, 2012 10:15 PM
The spark of life is the soul of all living things; and like I said, God bridges the gap in our knowledge of our own existence. I see no conflict there.
Birdman III Wrote: Dec 02, 2012 10:21 PM
A crab has a soul?

A spider has a soul?

A tree has a soul?

God does not bridge that gap... you made it up.

Hawkins is not a spokesman for God.

How does the nothing of Hawkins become something? Even Hawkins does not answer that.
rdemonteverde Wrote: Dec 02, 2012 10:25 PM
When you die perhaps you can ask God that question. You lucky you. Just like having Einstein himself explain the Theory of Relativity to you himself, you lucky b{word}
Birdman III Wrote: Dec 02, 2012 10:33 PM
Well, R{idiot}, Einstein started with the same singularity since that is as far as his science could take him. At least E was honest... whereas, H goes beyond scienced which is dishonest of him, wouldn't you say?
dan17 Wrote: Dec 02, 2012 10:39 PM
Birdman,

Yes, believe all living things have a soul of sorts. Were they not created by divine will?

I guess I am not being clear enough for you. I did not say that Hawkins speaks for God. Where did you get that? On the contrary, I am saying that we cannot envision nothingness. God or some other ultimate reality fills the gap. What is wrong with that?
Birdman III Wrote: Dec 02, 2012 10:59 PM
First, if you believe all living things have a soul of sorts, then we are talking apples and oranges. You capitalize God as if you believe in Him... then substitute for Him animism.

Science, today, starts from the premise that there is no God and then builds a universe to explain facts with no-God stories. Hawkins is one of those scientists. Einstein worked as if there was no God and at the end, when he could go no farther, admitted that the only logical explanation is a God-Creator. Hawkins has yet to make such an admission.

The Creation was handed down generation to generation. The animals were created first. Then he made something special... man. Man had the attributes of God. The animals did not.
Birdman III Wrote: Dec 02, 2012 11:00 PM
Nothing speaks of all living thing having Godly attributes or characteristics. That is something you insert into the creation.
dan17 Wrote: Dec 02, 2012 11:40 PM
I have studied the religions of the world and find no difference in their spiritual connection to the universe, from the limited perception of man. But yes, I do believe in the concept of God. It is more Deist than Christian, but raised as a Catholic, I also respect and share most Christian codes of morality.
By the way, my interpretation is surely as valid as yours.
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