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2012: When Dreams Died

creativegirl Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 10:41 AM
The Republican party is going to continue to fail unless they drop their social platform and become more libertarian. The Generations coming up are not religious and think gay marriage is fine. That is the only way to capture more votes. Religious conservatives are clinging to the past and are really harming the party's ability to get their fiscally conservative message out. I spoke to many Democrats that refuse to vote Republican based on their social agenda.
Frank391 Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 5:14 PM
The government and all the politicians need to get out of the social engineering business period. It is not within their authority to deal with it.
Ron781 Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 11:26 AM
There will come a time when the current liberal idea failures will become obvious to even the youth and other low information gathers and then we will see a very radical response. No jobs and living in mom's basement can only last so long.
AZhot Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 12:17 PM
At the rate things are going, mom will not have a basement soon along with no house. Man does have a spiritual side that needs to be nourished just as his physical body does. People such as the Sandy Hook shooter are spiritually dead. This is the result of leftist dogma being accepted as "freedom". As with many things in life, the opposite is true. One only need look around to see how destructive license is. These spiritually dead people are walking drugged up zombies.
Anominus Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 10:55 AM
A liberal social platform inevitably leads to a liberal fiscal platform. If Republicans must embrace Democrat "values" to "win," then the Republican party should simply cease to exist as it serves no purpose.
ericynot Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 1:03 PM

That simply isn't so. I've been a fiscal conservative and a social liberal for more than 40 years, and I know plenty of other people who describe themselves in similar terms. Being in favor of gay marriage does not equate to being in favor of wasteful government spending.

Creativegirl is right. If the Republican Party does not wish to become irrelevant, they're going to have to make some adjustments to bring in younger voters. I know that will make many older voters uncomfortable, but it's a fact.

Why do you think Ron Paul, an old guy, appealed to so many young voters?
Anominus Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 1:22 PM
Maybe not on an individual level, but the majority of social liberals are also fiscal liberals. When a group of social liberals get together, chances are far better that any fiscal plan they may put together will be liberal in nature, rather than conservative.

Homosexual "marriage" does equate to wasteful government spending. Traditional marriage is overwhelmingly a socially valuable institution which provides the best environment for producing and raising children - future citizens. Homosexual unions produce nothing for society but more deviancy, therefore why does it deserve the same fiscal benefits?

Ron Paul appealed to a vocal minority, but obviously not enough to make him particularly relevant in the long term.
ericynot Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 1:56 PM

"Paul .... not particularly relevant"?

That, as I recall, is what they said about Ronald Reagan after his failed 1976 Presidential run.

Obviously, at his age, Ron Paul is not going to run again. But his ideas, like Reagan's, hold considerable appeal for a great many people associated, at least loosely, with the Republican Party, including some Tea Partiers (you haven't forgotten Rand Paul have you?)

And gay marriage, like it or not, is a done deal with the under-30's.
Anominus Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 2:07 PM
The ideas Ron Paul embraced have been espoused before, and they will be picked up again, particularly his ideas on tax reform. Honestly, it was a combination of being outspoken on tax reform (made an enemy of the establishment) and drug legalization (made an enemy of mainstream conservatives) that sank Paul's chances of being elected to the presidency.

"And gay marriage, like it or not, is a done deal with the under-30's."

So is anthropomorphic global warming, that so-called "settled science." We'll see what happens as the public schools continue to collapse under their own weight and are unable to maintain their captive audiences.
ericynot Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 2:46 PM

Forty years ago the under-30's figured out that the Vietnam War was a catastrophic blunder on every level (including financial). They -- we -- were right. Even my WWII Navy hero dad finally came around to that conclusion (although it took him another 15 years or so).

Don't be so quick to dismiss the "kids".
Anominus Wrote: Dec 27, 2012 3:20 PM
Similarly, don't be so quick to say something is "a done deal," particularly when dealing with the current crop of know-it-all "kids." They voted overwhelmingly for Obama.

The year 2012 saw the triumph of cold reality over pie-in-the-sky dreams.

Barack Obama in 2008 won an election on an upbeat message of change in the hope that the first black president would mark a redemptive moment in American history. Four years later, the fantasies are gone. In continuing dismal economic times, Obama ran for re-election neither on his first-term achievements -- Obamacare, bailouts, financial stimuli and Keynesian mega-deficits -- nor on more utopian promises.

Instead, Obama's campaign systematically reduced his rival, Wall Street financier Mitt Romney, to a conniving, felonious financial pirate who did dastardly things, from letting the...