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Why Do We Need Unions?

coveyrise Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 10:37 AM
I guess some people still think Unions are responsible for workplace safety but they are not. Since 1971 and the creation of OSHA workplace safety rules are mandated by Federal Regulations. What Unions actually do today and have for a long time is slow down productivity and add unjustified labor costs to products and services. Part of the goal of every Union is to regulate the output of workers so as to artifically increase the demand for more workers which grows the dues paying members. If you are highly motivated and productive worker you will soon be told to "Slow down, you're making everybody else look bad" and that doesn't go over well in a Union Shop.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 10:49 AM
Actually, not only are unions not responsible for workplace safety now, they never were ... and neither was OSHA. The documented improvement in worker safety - in place for more than two centuries - was still well underway before the passage of OSHA and continued AT ROUGHLY THE SAME PACE after the passage of OSHA.
jmonaco Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 12:51 PM
Fletch --

You lost me. Two centuries would be pre-1812. What documented worker safety are you referring to? Or did you mean decades instead of centuries? Or were you referring to non-US laws?

Some legislation:
1970 - OSHA Act
1936 - Walsh-Healy Act
1935 - NLRA
1926 - RLA
1916 - Keating-Owen Act (unconstitutional)
1893 - Workers' Compensation Act (UK law)
1884 - Workers' Accident Insurance (Prussian law)
1871 - Employers' Liability Law (Prussian law)
1802 - Factory Act (UK law)
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 2:31 PM
The steady improvement in working conditions and compensation is historically demonstrated to have begun at the very beginning of the Industrial Revolution so add another half century. It had nothing whatsoever to do with laws either; it was entirely the result of capitalism.
coveyrise Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 10:42 AM
The most efficient way to pay all production workers would be based on productivity or piece work. Each product manufactured in the US has a pre-calculated labor cost factored in. If the market value of a "Widget" is $1.00 and the material and overhead cost comes to 60 cents and labor cost is factored in at 30 cents then the manufacturer can count on a 10 cent profit for each Widget. Rather than paying production workers an arbitrary hourly wage a 10 cent per piece would give them the opportunity to earn more by producing more per hour. This would regulate the size of the workforce and give everyone the chance to earn more if they were willing. Unions hate this because it kills their hidden agenda.
coveyrise Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 10:43 AM
Ooops should ready 30 cents per piece.
jvance Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 11:18 AM
I agree, I was union and a journeyman car painter, at the time take home was $125 a week, I migrated to a non union area where the wage was based on percentage of hours on repair order, funny thing I now worked my but off but take home was $ 500.00 a week on percentage, and I had all the bennies as I had in the union, Why on earth would I want a union ? also if you worked as hard in a union shop the steward would come over an tell you to knock it off you were making the rest of the workers look bad. Union ? No Thanks they are a drag on this country.
jmonaco Wrote: Dec 15, 2012 11:40 AM
This still leaves a question about compensation for "non-production" writers, actors/actresses, athletes, and other entertainers. They don't perform "piece" work, so compensation can't follow this model for those types of activities?

It seems these "laborers" work from a minimum baseline and guess about fair market value of their products and services for above baseline compensation.

Michigan has now become the 24th state to give workers the right to work without having to join a union. The event provoked more than vigorous debate. State police had to be on duty to guarantee the safety and the ability of Michigan legislators to actually go vote on the measure.

So what is the controversy all about? I agree with folks on the left about the real issue. It's not about right to work. It's about unions themselves. Why do we have them? Why do we need them? What public purpose do they serve?

There's no mystery here. A union...

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