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President Obama, More Religious Apostate than Religious Pioneer

ConcealedCarry Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 3:07 PM
Some "intelligent" posers on this thread have asked, "Where does the Bible say life begins at conception?" How 'bout this one (it's not the only one but it's a good one): "But the angel said to her, 'Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus...' 'How will this be,' Mary asked the angel, 'since I am a virgin?' The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.'" If Christ's Life began with "The Immaculate Conception" everyone else's life begins with their less-than-immaculate-conception.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 3:16 PM
That still doesn't indicate when Jesus's life officially began. It only indicated that Mary would bear him. It's akin to a prophecy, of which the bible has plenty. It only says Mary will give birth to the son of God. It never says that her son's life would begin at conception.
ConcealedCarry Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 3:48 PM
Herald, if Christ's Life did not begin at conception, when did it begin? For that matter, when did your life begin, if not at conception?
wmou Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 4:00 PM
"when did it begin?"
Before the Universe was formed. In the beginning, Jesus already was. His physical life began at conception,
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 4:09 PM
Again, I don't know. How could we know? And why would the bible be an appropriate guide?
ConcealedCarry Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 3:10 PM
If you believe the Bible (as our founders did) you have to believe the right to life as outlined in our founding documents must be extended to the unborn...
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 3:16 PM
Why does one have to believe it? The unborn were never mentioned in the founding documents or the constitution.
pascagoulapappy Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 3:21 PM
"to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity . . ." sho soun lak fokes whut ain been borned yet to me!
ConcealedCarry Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 3:26 PM
When do YOU believe life begins, Herald? The BIBLE unequivocally states that God views life as beginning at conception. The founders believed the Bible and that our Creator endowed us with the right to life, so it's not a stretch to believe that our founders viewed the unborn as having that right.

Do you really think you're smarter than the Bible or our founders?
RAY USA Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 3:32 PM
OK Herald, we see that you are not a serious person. First, you decide to nitpick the language of the bible and now you are nitpicking the Constitution. None of these documents was written to satisfy your frivolous curiosity. Hundreds of millions of people have interpreted them in a consistent manner without expecting the documents to anticipate their every vain legalistic question.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 3:38 PM
I honestly do not know when life begins and I don't think the bible is clear on this, as our discourse has indicated. I don't claim to be smarter than the writers of the bible or the founding fathers. I only question the interpretations that some are using because I don't think they're logically coherent. And I think that if people are going to make a rational argument about this issue, it's important that their position has an element of logic. How does that not make me a serious person?
Anominus Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 3:50 PM
The lefty "reasoning" regarding abortion is just like that of an idiot who decides to go "hunting." On his trip, he hears the bushes around him rustling, so he fires all his ammo into the bush. He doesn't know what's in the bush, nor does he bother to check what he shot. He can't be bothered with the details because he out "hunting."

In summary, its a display of a poorly formed intellect which doesn't bother to educate itself with the facts and doesn't care about the harm it causes to others - it only knows what it wants and that's what it does.
RAY USA Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 3:54 PM
Herald:
I have never heard anyone question the meaning or intent of Jeremiah's "I knew you in the womb". When the vast majority of people over thousands of years interpret something one way and I interpret it a different way, I try to understand what I am missing rather than ask others to "prove" their meaning. I suspect that the word for "abortion" was so abhorrent in both biblical and Revolutionary times that it would not be used in public documents.
wmou Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 3:59 PM
"I honestly do not know when life begins "
Me either, so if I err, I will err on the side of life. Killing babies in the womb is a hiddeous concept.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 4:14 PM
Have you talked to any biblical scolars? Have you done any major research on the passage? How do you know that the interpretation of that passage hasn't changed for thousands of years? There are different interpretations. I encourage you to research the interpretations at the following link: http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_bibl.htm
RAY USA Wrote: Oct 22, 2012 6:21 PM
I have spent the last 3 years researching the Bible, its historical accuracy, its origination and its interpretations. The interpretation of Jeremiah 1:5 is from the best Biblical scholars available. Your website is just a bunch laymen who have neither religious expertise nor are they serious Christian believers. If you are a Christian, you must live your life in accord with important Christian beliefs on both abortion and homosexuality. If you choose to ignore these beliefs, then fine, but you are not a Christian.
HeraldOfGalactus Wrote: Oct 23, 2012 6:36 AM
Three years isn't a long time to be studying something. There are people who spend decades on the bible and even they admit they don't understand everything. You can write off the testimony from the website, but that doesn't make it wrong. Why do you think it's wrong? You're right about a Christian living a life according to Christian beliefs, but the beliefs about homosexuality and abortion are not clear. They're prone to interpretation. And what if your interpretation is wrong? How will God judge you if you get something like that wrong?
Anominus Wrote: Oct 23, 2012 1:03 PM
The Old Testament was quite clear on homosexuality and explicitly condemned the behavior. If the behavior is condemned, there is no reasonable assumption that a union built around that behavior would somehow be considered acceptable. Additionally, chances are that if Christ did not specifically address something laid out in the Old Testament, it's because there was no reason to do so, and therefore it remains unchanged.

As far as having the "wrong interpretation" - I would much rather oppose abortion and be wrong, having not killed anyone, than support abortion and be wrong, having the blood of millions of innocents on my hands.
According to CNN writer John Blake, President Obama is “a religious pioneer” who, in the opinion of some scholars and pastors, is “also expanding the definition of who can be a Christian by challenging the religious right’s domination of the national stage.”

To be candid, and with due respect to the office of the president, Obama should be viewed as a religious apostate more than a religious pioneer. He has shown an extraordinary disregard for society’s most innocent and vulnerable members (babies in the womb), he has misused the Bible to defend the radical redefinition of marriage, and...