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Can a General Call Suicide "Selfish"?

christiancon Wrote: Jun 05, 2012 2:00 PM
Sorry about your experience. Howver, its anecdotal and does not represent all of those people. I know people who are chaplains and therapists in the military and they are as brave as any. I am sure there is some truth to what you say in a general sense ie: pop psychology and abusers of a legitimate discipline : psychology. But an all or nothing view is not accurate. There is good and bad in these areas as any other.
pastorial Wrote: Jun 08, 2012 9:35 AM
Topeka Wrote: Jun 05, 2012 4:18 PM
... Clive, where does my post state that All Psychotropic Barbs are Bad?

... hummmm, dee, dee, dee, dee, da, dee, da, dee, dum...

... the Quack prescribed drugs that should not have been prescribed -

... this is too common - if planes fell out of the sky every day - you'd really want that guy's aerospace engineering

... worse - there ARE psych professionals with good track records - and they know when not to use drugs as well as when to use them.

... blanket assertions?

... ok, so tell me when are "suicide prevention experts" who have left wing class warfare ideologies - serving a useful function?
Topeka Wrote: Jun 05, 2012 4:12 PM
... no you're problems are not my problems...

... yes - it is obvious you dismissed my experiences - Multiple - long term experience.

... b/c - this is not a Psychology Today thread discussing nuanced distinctions in treatment plans for specific psychiatric illnesses (Duh)

... this is a political thread - about the Silencing of a General who Tried to Dissent from a particular Politically Correct Ideology of Beliefs Regarding Suicide.

... the qualifications I allude to below - and above - should have made it Clear - that I am NOT Impugning Professionals Who Use Professional Techniques...
Topeka Wrote: Jun 05, 2012 4:07 PM
Are you saying Sometimes Ideologically Based Psycho therapy is Justified Even If the Patient suffers Severe Mal-Adjustment Based On Said Theory?

Somehow - I don't think that's what you meant.

I'm sorry I cannot make it clear - I did not clarify the qualifications.

Also - I do not agree with your dismissive opinion regarding personal experience.

All psychology is - is the sum of personal experiences.

- I offered my personal experience because I expected a Liberal to attack my opposition to Dangerous Treatment Programs Based On Fantasies b/c I "Lacked" Personal Experience.

My personal experience is not the sole basis for my opinion.

- Personal experience can - and often does - falsify ideological theories.
Topeka Wrote: Jun 05, 2012 3:59 PM
Apology accepted.

As it happens I don't think I made myself clear.
christiancon Wrote: Jun 05, 2012 3:49 PM
..I didnt grasp the full meaning of your post.
christiancon Wrote: Jun 05, 2012 3:47 PM
Finally I agree with you on psychology being "when deployed by anyone with an Ideological Focus Against Reality..." wrong and I stated so "pop psychology and abusers of a legitimate discipline : psychology"---- I am in no way trying to dismiss your concerns and pain from your situation which sounds tragic. BUT I cant use my personal experience with good therapsit and psychiatrist to tell you that all psychiatry or psychology is good anymore than you can tell me that your experience makes it all bad. Perhaps I judged too harshly as I re-read your post as you did mention the ideological bias. I suppose I have experienced the opposite bias and am just as sensitive.All suicide prevention experts are not left wing however, I apologize if I...
christiancon Wrote: Jun 05, 2012 3:35 PM
..personal experience. If thats the benchmark you use to judge I too have close personal experience and have had suicides in my family- and attempted ones- I do not (in my experience) blame anyone but the person who took their own lives, I find that there are usually a myriad of factors in a decison such as that one. I am not God, but neither are you. I dont determine the validity of something based upon ONLY what has happened to me- its a part but not the whole for a determination. I refuse to be lumped into a category of dismissing what you said when its obvious I didnt. Its your problem not mine.
christiancon Wrote: Jun 05, 2012 3:30 PM
As for dismissing your observations- no I did not. Drugs are bad- all psychotropic drugs- again an all or nothing observation which is false.Your personal experience is YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and nothing more or less. I did not dismiss it. How could I? I dont make blanket assertions about a whole subject based upon my personal experience. If you have other reasons for your observations that's fine- I dont what they are. I personally have been helped by faith and therapy and for a time anti-depressants (should we declare for each others personal experience and extrapolate to all others and make our own individual personal experience the benchmark?) I find your statements to be flatly all- or nothing propositions which expunge others ..
Topeka Wrote: Jun 05, 2012 2:43 PM
Thanks Clive

for completely dismissing the observation...

B/c I have close personal experience

No doubt you would dismiss my observations based on the lack of such personal experience.

1. Psychology is not impugned - but see below
2. Psychiatrists prescribe drugs - that's a clue - and it's evidence I hold against your position
3. You (falsely) assume that dismissing my personal experience dismisses the observation
4. You (falsely) assume... I have no other reasons for my observ.

Nothing "legitimate" about psychology - when deployed by anyone with an Ideological Focus Against Reality...

Psychology IS Legitimate - ONCE, ONE BLEEPING TIME, a dumba&& psychologist uses observations as the basis for his "theories" - some do / others dont
On his army blog of January 19, the commanding general of Fort Bliss (Texas), Major General Dana Pittard, wrote regarding members of the military who commit suicide:

"I have now come to the conclusion that suicide is an absolutely selfish act. I am personally fed up with soldiers who are choosing to take their own lives so that others can clean up their mess. Be an adult, act like an adult and deal with your real-life problems like the rest of us."

According to the National Journal, "Pittard's blunt comments about suicide have raised eyebrows throughout the military. . . . Suicide-prevention...

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