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GOP Leaders May Finally Be Catching On

Clifton4 Wrote: Jan 26, 2013 9:07 AM
“It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation.” But that goes ignored when talking about how to deal with illegal immigrants. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332916/why-hispanics-dont-vote-republicans-heather-mac-donald#
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GOP Leaders May Finally Be Catching On

Clifton4 Wrote: Jan 26, 2013 9:06 AM
Where are your facts to back up the statement that the immigration issue is "costing the nation lost tax revenue and Republicans votes among a growing Hispanic/Latino electorate who once viewed the Republican Party as a vehicle to help lift them up"? Polls show that immigration is not one of the top issues of concern for Hispanics, legal Hispanic citizens who can vote that is. http://www.gallup.com/poll/155327/hispanic-voters-put-issues-immigration A Heritage Foundation study finds that the cost of amnesty would be about $1 trillion which is 70 times more than attrition through enforcement. https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/amnesty-costs-10-times-more-than-enforcement.html
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The GOP's Immigration Mess

Clifton4 Wrote: Jan 26, 2013 8:42 AM
Rather than helping the party, some say that amnesty would be political suicide for the party. But that aspect of the conversation goes largely ignored. http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/11/13/5_reasons_amnesty_would_be_political_suicide_for_the_republican_party/page/full/ Public opinion surveys, including the recent AP poll which conducted the survey in Spanish even though one has to be able to speak English to be a naturalized citizen, are couched in terms of either allowing all illegal immigrants to remain or deporting them all. Coverage of a middle-ground or coverage of the devil-in-the-detail seems to be of no interest to the media and.those Republicans desperate for love from Hispanics - a love amnesty won't provide.
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The GOP's Immigration Mess

Clifton4 Wrote: Jan 26, 2013 8:38 AM
And fifth, conventional wisdom seems to be that Republicans can and will get Hispanic support if they once again provide an amnesty. The last time an amnesty was granted was under the administration of Ronald Reagan in 1986 and in 1988 Republican George H.W. Bush got just 31 percent of the Hispanic vote. Further, Charles Krauthammer mistakenly believes that Hispanics have conservative values that are better suited for the Republican party. Razib Khan of Discover Magazine did research and says, "the assertion that Hispanics are socially conservative in their attitudes misleads the public." Hispanics are more lenient on divorce, pre-marital sex, pornography and are virtually the same as the general American public on abortion and gay issues.
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The GOP's Immigration Mess

Clifton4 Wrote: Jan 26, 2013 8:37 AM
Third, there are reports that seem to go ignored. For instance, one report indicates that as many as 25 Americans are killed by illegal aliens daily (murder, drunk driving, etc.) and that the recent influx of poor illegal immigrants cost taxpayers more than $120 billion in social services alone. Isn’t this germane to the topic ? Fourth, “It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation.” http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332916/why-hispanics-dont-vote-republicans-heather-mac-donald#
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The GOP's Immigration Mess

Clifton4 Wrote: Jan 26, 2013 8:33 AM
As soon as the presidential votes were in, knee-jerk reaction over the fact that 70 percent of the Latino vote went to Obama was for Republicans to get ahead of Democrats on providing amnesty to illegal aliens. However, a good deal of information about the topic is not being shared with the public. First of all, polls show that immigration is not one of the top issues of concern for Hispanics, legal Hispanic citizens who can vote that is. http://www.gallup.com/poll/155327/hispanic-voters-put-issues-immigration.aspx Second, a Heritage Foundation study finds that the cost of amnesty would be about $1 trillion which is 70 times more than attrition through enforcement. https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/amnesty
A Heritage Foundation study finds that the cost of amnesty would be about $1 trillion which is 70 times more than attrition through enforcement. Does Mr. Cardenas not know that or does he dispute that (if so let's hear his numbers) or does he just not care. https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/amnesty-costs-10-times-more-than-enforcement.html
They can work their butts off all they want but they cost tax payers more than 100 billion dollars a year plus two dozen Americans die as a result of illegal immigrants (drunk driving, murder, etc.) per day.
It's funny to read these supposed conservatives who want to give amnesty but don't want to call it amnesty. Whatever anyone wants to call it, the American people don't want and America doesn't need the poverty imported by the majority of the 11-20 million illegal immigrants here. What's the point of an E-Verify system if you are going to ignore the very people E-Verify is set up to catch? Those who want the rule of law don't prefer to live with "undocumented individuals in our midst." They expect the law to be enforced and if illegal immigrants can't get jobs, they will go to where they can get jobs. Exceptions can always be made but the vast majority of law breakers should return to their countries of origin.
As we saw from this past election, not everything is about the economy. If it were, we'd have a new president. Besides, poor immigrants are a drag on the economy, not a boon. Estimates are that importing poverty by granting amnesty to the millions of illegal immigrants in the country now will cost American taxpayers $1 trillion. How exactly does this help the economy?
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Where to Adjust, Where to Stand Firm

Clifton4 Wrote: Nov 16, 2012 9:08 AM
Tax penalties, learning English. Those are consequences? That should have been done from the get go. Those aren't consequences. These mostly very poor immigrants can never pay back what we have paid and will pay for them. And no one will ever be kicked out of the country for failure to learn the English language. It's not going to happen. Davis falls into the trap that we either accept all those here illegally or we deport them all. If America is willing to stick to it, a plan to get a handle on immigration isn't as complicated as people try to make it. Seal the border, institute a strict E-Verify system where only those legally here can be employed, cut off social services except emergency aid to illegal immigrants, deport law breakers..
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