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Libya Commemorates 9/11

Cliff52 Wrote: Sep 13, 2012 11:34 AM
American Revolution was well thought out? Not according to Ben Franklin who said, "there was not a man blind, drunk or sober that wanted to separate from England in 1775." Events gradually turned into a complete separation from England. Hardly "planned."
Jimmy_Earl Wrote: Sep 13, 2012 12:17 PM
Those that were against the separation were mostly conservatives.
talltexanoilfieldtrash Wrote: Sep 13, 2012 12:27 PM
And you personally can vouch for them being conservatives? Did you meet them and converse with them about their political convictions? Maybe read their personal journals? Gimmee some facts or stop throwing opinions.
Reginald10 Wrote: Sep 13, 2012 2:10 PM
The Rebels were the ones that didn't want high taxes, or excessive government regulations. Seems to me that sounds more like our modern Conservatives.
Polly1 Wrote: Sep 13, 2012 11:58 AM
Eventually it happened...without a plan? Wow, we WERE good!
Tinsldr2 Wrote: Sep 13, 2012 11:55 AM
By well thought out I think he was referring to the founding documentation.

The first thing we did was meet in several Conventions of the Constitutional Congress. It was well thought out plan for representation and decision making.

Each state had adopted a state Constitution and before the war was even won, or barely started we had the Articles Of Confederation.

As those proved ineffective we had the well thought out Constitution. and we argued for and against it, with things like the Federalist papers.

It was not Mob rule, but stated and organized.
Gregory142 Wrote: Sep 13, 2012 11:54 AM
Context, Cliff. It is important. The history books that were not force fed to me in public schools made it clear that Franklin's words were not a criticism of the decision to declare independence from England. Rather, it was a lament that it became necessary, as a result of the same type of heavy-handed subjugation from England, that we are now experiencing from our "leaders" in DC.

When President Obama intervened in Libya last year, he claimed that "it's in our national interest to act" to remove a tyrant who -- in response to Bush's invasion of Iraq -- had just given up his weapons of mass destruction and pledged to be America's BFF.

Apparently Gadhafi neglected to also tell Obama, "I've got your back."

Obama said: "We must stand alongside those who believe in the same core principles that have guided us through many storms ... our support for a set of universal rights, including the freedom for people to express themselves and choose...