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Social Conservatives: GOP Can't Live Without Them

Cleombrotus2011 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 9:02 AM
jkarov writes: "As a conservative for 40 years, I don't want laws based on religion or faith, I want laws based on the Constitution." I don't want laws "based" on religion or faith either, but I do understand that laws and a Constitution that were INFORMED by a devout and well understood and articulated Christian faith at the end of the 18th century, are the reasons we enjoy the freedoms, liberties, and more importantly, the intellectual foundation for understanding the reasons FOR those laws AND the principles enshrined in the Constitution. If we lose that understanding and underlying basis, we lose the resultant liberities. As we go further and further away from the religious basis of our laws, they make less and less sense and become
WRH Bill Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 12:52 PM
It's somewhat curious how a Constitution "informed by the Christian faith" neglected to make any mention whatever of God or Christianity (other than a pro forma reference to the date as "Year of our Lord". And the fundamentalists of the time noted this, predicting the nation was doomed because of adopting a "Godless Constitution". I won't say there was NO influence of certain Christian ideas in the making of the Constitution; but there was also influence of pre-Christian or non-Christian ideas such as ancient Greek and Roman history and philosophy, and then-current European Enlightenment thought.
Cleombrotus2011 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 3:53 PM
It wasn't the Constitution, per se, that was informed but the thinking of those who were instrumental in ratifying it. To argue that the mindset of the early American colonialists were more influenced by the Enlightenment than the Reformation is simply revisionist history.

The colonials, for the most part, were Christian in their manners, customs, and ethics, not secularists. I know it's fashionable for modern Humanists to want to ascribe to their faith more credit for the American Revolution and its underlying causes, than the French Revolution but the facts speak for themselves.
Capitalist at Birth1 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 10:00 AM
What do you think those documents are based on?
Cleombrotus2011 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 10:05 AM
I think they are based on the Bible, of course, but jkarov, I believe, was referring to laws that are simply religious dogma rather than derived from the understanding of human nature, and a proper social system that came from the Founders' Christian religious heritage.
Cleombrotus2011 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 9:03 AM
mere expediencies and merely utilitarian, able to be manipulated by whatever demagogue or politically powerful special interest group controls the political process.
One of the largest elephants in the GOP's post-election room is the fate of Christian and other social conservatives. Party honchos can't just wish this problem away -- or, maybe they can.

There has been increasing hostility toward Christian involvement in politics, and the animus hasn't been solely from the left. To be sure, Democrats have taken the lead, demonizing conservative Christians as science-challenged scolds who don't care about women's "reproductive rights," but there is plenty of antipathy from certain elements within the Republican Party, as well.

Many establishment and some libertarian Republicans have long looked upon Christian conservatives with mild, condescending...