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'Fiscal' Conservatism Needs 'Social' Conservatism

Chester1776 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:05 PM
Libertarians do not believe that liberty derives from the State. It is derived from Nature's God (see the Declaration of Independence). Define Creator as you wish. Morality does not necessarily come from religion. There are plenty of non-Christians out there who know the difference between right and wrong. The government doesn't need to define marriage- it should stay out of it entirely. Many libertarians are pro-life and will argue that based on the constitutional rights of the fetus as an individual.
rmccarthy Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:12 PM
Most who claim to know the difference between right and wrong who are not believers STOLE most of their ideas from GOD but do not realize or give credit to GOD. Without the Judeo-Christian influences, most of the world would still be like before (which the movies do not honestly describe) and you would not like it.
Chester1776 Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:18 PM
You don't have to believe in God, read the Bible, or go to church to live by the Golden Rule. In fact, some Christians are insufferable because they are forgiven for being jerks every Sunday.
agitator Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:23 PM
C, sadly but too often true.
rmccarthy Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 12:45 PM
Thank you Chester1776 for saying "SOME"
Still, we are all messed up and need each others help.
I'm only half as messed up as I used to be, Thank You GOD!
WRH Bill Wrote: Jan 22, 2013 3:14 PM
rmccarthy, have you read "The Abolition of Man" by C.S. Lews? Though a famous proponent of Christianity, Lewis was not so ignorant as to believe that all morality was invented by or "stolen from" the Judeo-Christian belief system (which seems to be what you mean by "stolen from God".) Lewis includes in the book a section on what he calls "the Tao" or natural law, showing that the same moral rules recur in many different belief systems, including pre-Christian paganism and non-theistic Chinese Confucianism.
For some years now, we have been told about a major division within American conservatism: fiscal conservatives vs. social conservatives.

This division is hurting conservatism and hurting America -- because the survival of American values depends on both fiscal and social conservatism. Furthermore, the division is logically and morally untenable. A conservative conserves all American values, not just economic ones.

By "social conservatism," I am referring to the second and third components of what I call the American Trinity -- liberty, "In God We Trust" and "E Pluribus Unum."

It is worth noting that a similar bifurcation does not exist on the left. One...

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