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'Me Too' Republicans

Charles3662 Wrote: Mar 27, 2013 12:31 AM
The real reason many Republicans are of the "me too" variety is because they don't sincerely believe in anything meaningful--they just want to win elections. A real Republican or "Conservative" would lose on principle and still not back down. Very few successful people stand on principles. I mentioned in a letter to the editor of the Washington Times that if George Bush Senior was a real candidate he would debate David Duke and all comers, regardless. George Bush Senior said in a press conference the next day "No" and an assumed man of principle was defeated in his bid for a second term. Winning is not the only thing, having principles is everything!
WillBest2 Wrote: Mar 27, 2013 2:00 AM
Principles are expensive. You are basically advocating waiting for things to get so bad that people finally come to their senses. Well, the Blacks have been marginalized for decades, have 20%+ youth unemployment, an epidemic of single motherhood, and have been more or less stagnant for 40 years. That Blacks are still in lockstep with the Dem Party indicates that nothing short of total financial collapse is going to wake people up. I can't really afford that.
_,l,, Vaporise this, Thought Police ,,l,_ Wrote: Mar 27, 2013 4:06 AM
"I can't really afford that."

I'm sure that our current leadership and the American people in general will be content to simply let it cost whatever you do have.
Tommy_Maq Wrote: Mar 27, 2013 4:34 AM
What he has had, is enough.

John Galt's option is always there for anyone.

You can live on the beach in Hawaii nearly for free, for one of literally millions of examples.
_,l,, Vaporise this, Thought Police ,,l,_ Wrote: Mar 27, 2013 4:58 AM
"John Galt's option is always there for anyone."

Well, that reminds me of another idea that I read in a different book:

"... let us rather choose
Arm'd with Hell flames and fury all at once
O're Heav'ns high Towrs to force resistless way,
Turning our Tortures into horrid Arms
Against the Torturer; when to meet the noise
Of his Almighty Engin he shall hear
Infernal Thunder, and for Lightning see
Black fire and horror shot with equal rage
Among his Angels; and his Throne it self
Mixt with Tartarean Sulphur, and strange fire,
His own invented Torments." Paradise lost, book II, lines 60-70.

Or .... something sort of along those lines.

(contd.)
_,l,, Vaporise this, Thought Police ,,l,_ Wrote: Mar 27, 2013 5:03 AM
John Galt was a character in a work of fiction. Even though most people in Russia stopped doing anything more productive than working to supply their own most basic needs, Soviet Communism persisted for 70some years. While it was a clever, stimulating, and intellectual piece of fiction, John Galt's strategy is of no more help to today's individual, with an expected lifespan of 80 years, than the strategy suggested by Moloch.
Charles3662 Wrote: Mar 27, 2013 12:41 AM
Next time you get near the top of any organization, take a close look at the principles of the people on top. They will bend whichever way the wind blows and pretend they are leading. Does this seem counterintuitive? No, maybe God never intended for one man to lead another and by the time someone gets all the way to the top, he has compromised away anything that looks like a principle to get there.
_,l,, Vaporise this, Thought Police ,,l,_ Wrote: Mar 27, 2013 4:04 AM
"They will bend whichever way the wind blows and pretend they are leading. Does this seem counterintuitive?"

No, that's what representative government is all about, dividing people into parties and competing interests; giving the exact same weight to the vote of a mental defective and a genius; destroying the possibility of realizing any sort of long range plans; and making it impossible for our "leaders" to maintain any sort of moral or ethical standards if they wish to keep getting votes.

That's not counterintuitive, that's the democratic process in a nutshell!
Charles3662 Wrote: Mar 27, 2013 9:17 AM
Does the purest of the democratic process provide a meaningful result? I doubt it. Our founding fathers were not mental defective. You are making democracy a golden idol to be worshiped. The democratic process demands intelligent, dedicated to a purpose and a plan, leaders. We can disagree, but we cannot survive in your world view. Sooner or later your collection of democratic mental defectives consume themselves. Get rid of your golden idol! Democracy by itself means nothing beneficial, especially for the mental defectives who can vote.
_,l,, Vaporise this, Thought Police ,,l,_ Wrote: Mar 27, 2013 9:52 AM
You missed the point, Charles. I was saying we need to do away with the "idol." But democracy is more like "American Idol" than anything as productive as gold.
Many ideas presented as "new" are just rehashes of old ideas that have been tried before -- and have failed before. So it is no surprise that the recent "Growth and Opportunity Project" report to the Republican National Committee is a classic example of what previous generations called "Me too" Republicanism.

These are Republicans who think that the key to winning elections is to do more of what the Democrats are doing. In effect, they say "me too" on issues such as immigration, in hopes of gaining more new votes than they lose by betraying their existing supporters.

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