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Obama, Romney Get Feisty in Second Debate

cferrer Wrote: Oct 16, 2012 11:37 PM
Wow this was a fiery debate! Both candidates did well. I'm fairly certain that both sides had their fair sides of stretched truth so no big hubbub about that. I'm pulling for Romney for this one. He REALLY REALLY needs it. Romneycare2012.
Sure you can believe that. But religious history and the bible says otherwise, depending what part you read.
Also Pope Innocent XI said "It is lawful to procure abortion before ensoulment of the fetus lest a girl, detected as pregnant, be killed or defamed. It seems probable that the fetus (as long as it is in the uterus) lacks a rational soul and begins to first have one when it is born; and consequently it must be said that no abortion is homicide."
Christian philosophers such as Thomas Aquinas (1224–1274) believed that the early embryo did not have a human soul, they did not necessarily see early abortion as murder, though they condemned abortion. The 1312 Council of Vienne declared that the substance of the rational or intellectual soul is of itself and essentially the form of the human body and affirmed Aquinas's stance on delayed hominization.
Hey I agree with that. Still doesn't invalidate that religious leaders of yore thought aborotion wasn't completely condemned. Team True Bible Thumper wins yet again.
Christian philosophers such as Thomas Aquinas (1224–1274) believed that the early embryo did not have a human soul, they did not necessarily see early abortion as murder, though they condemned abortion. The 1312 Council of Vienne declared that the substance of the rational or intellectual soul is of itself and essentially the form of the human body and affirmed Aquinas's stance on delayed hominization.
Aristotle's epigenetic view of successive life principles ("souls") in a developing human embryo—first a vegetative and then a sensitive or animal soul, and finally an intellective or human soul, with the higher levels able to carry out the functions also of the lower levels—was the prevailing view among early Christians, including Tertullian, Augustine, and Jerome
Ok you have 1 verse versus 5. You still lose. Besides, in religious history Saints and prophets have all regarded life starts from first breath. Only recently in the last 100 years has the stance changed. Team Real Bible Thumper Wins.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnyquotes/a/anncoulter.htm There are ton of these out there. She's our party's Joe Biden lol. Plus the fact she's a crack hored kinda tarnishes her credibility.
If you believe in scripture, then a fetus is not truly alive until first breath is drawn Genesis 2:7 Job 33:4 Ezekiel 37:5&6 Exodus 21:22
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Swing States: Romney 51, Obama 46

cferrer Wrote: Oct 16, 2012 5:25 PM
Hmm who to vote for: a Liberal or another Liberal who's rich. No Romneycare2012 for me, no way am I convinced that romney is a pro-lifer, since Mormons define life when "first breath is drawn in". Obama isn't doing much for either. Is Ron Paul still running?
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