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BSsifter: You are being quite generous to FDR. His dealings with Stalin in Tehran in 1943 don't seem dramatically different from Obama's policy. Following are declassified minutes from a private meeting. THE PRESIDENT said he had asked Marshal Stalin to come to see him as he wished to discuss a matter briefly and frankly. He said it referred to internal American politics. He said that we had an election in 1944 and that while personally he did not wish to run again, if the war was still in progress, he might have to. He added that there were in the United States from six to seven million Americans of Polish extraction, and as a practical man, he did not wish to lose their vote. He said personally he agreed with the views of Marshal Stalin as to the necessity of the restoration of a Polish state but would like to see the Eastern border moved further to the west and the Western border moved even to the River Oder. He hoped, however, that the Marshal would understand that for political reasons outlined above, he could not participate in any decision here in Tehran or even next winter on this subject and that he could not publicly take part in any such arrangement at the present time. MARSHAL STALIN replied that now the President explained, he had understood. THE PRESIDENT went on to say that there were a number of persons of Lithuanian, Latvian, and Estonian origin, in that order, in the United States. He said that he fully realized the three Baltic Republics had in history and again more recently been a part of Russia and added jokingly that when the Soviet armies re-occupied these areas, he did not intend to go to war with the Soviet Union on this point. He went on to say that the big issue in the United States, insofar as public opinion went, would be the question of referendum and the right of self-determination. He said he thought that world opinion would want some expression of the will of the people, perhaps not immediately after their re-occupation by Soviet forces, but some day, and that he personally was confident that the people would vote to join the Soviet Union. http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/FRUS/FRUS-idx?type=goto&id=FRUS.FRUS1943CairoTehran&isize=M&page=594
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Statistical Frauds

CedarStrip Wrote: Apr 15, 2014 5:50 PM
Darby: Or, as my wife would say, It's maybe even more than half as much less!
Probably just Media Matters.
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Forgotten Generation

CedarStrip Wrote: Apr 05, 2014 11:59 AM
Millennials, born between 1980 and 2000. Many of these folks are still in college or recently graduated and have $50,000 to $80,000 dollars of student loan debt and can only find entry level part-time work. Not a particularly lucrative group to be supporting other folks entitlements.
I'm sure this is wrong. Nancy Pelosi said Obamacare would create 4 million jobs.
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How Foreign is Our Policy?

CedarStrip Wrote: Apr 01, 2014 4:28 PM
This is why Limbaugh said "I hope he fails". Of course, few understood his meaning.
Not only does it sound racist, it's not a valid analogy. Obama isn't bungling foreign policy out of ignorance or lack of experience. He is motivated to do these things by his ideological world view. He's convinced he's making the world a safer place.
I was disturbed by the inclusion of the Iraqi WMD reports in this article. There is no evidence of data massaging in that regard.
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Kristol Neoconservatism

CedarStrip Wrote: Mar 23, 2014 9:45 AM
True enough. Indoctrination is powerful. But it is hard to understand a complete lack of historical perspective in someone like Kristol. I'm sure he believes that Madison and the other founders were obsessively paranoid about government tyranny. It only happens when the other guys are in power.
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Kristol Neoconservatism

CedarStrip Wrote: Mar 22, 2014 1:24 PM
Assuming this article is correct in its interpretation, neoconservatism is faith based (faith in government) as all leftist ideologies are. Conservatism (traditional) is evidence based. How much more evidence do we need?
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