"The Bible is pretty clear that there should be distinctives in appearance and apparel between the genders and that clothing should be modest." This is the slippery slope to burqas.

And I am asking what is the difrence between what you say about Islam and Socialists and what the German Nazi Party said about Jews and Socialists? Explain how claiming that all Muslims and Socialists are evil does not lead to the promotion of genocide.

I want even one where to tell me what the being flu difference is between how some anti Muslim Conservatives portray Muslims and how the Nazi's portrayed Jews. How does the logic of Islam can't change not lead to calls for a "Final Solution."

"Si vis pacem, para bellum" But the US isn't preparing for war, we are at war. And that war has not lead to a peace. Promoting Liberal Islam is the only way to win hearts and minds. We need to change the culture of Islam no kill innocent muslims as we try with caring degrees of success to root out a hand full of bad apples.

NOTW Wrote: "How about you try some empathy, aka understanding their word from their persective instead of soem liberalcentric beleif that one can simply hit the "reset" button." Your claiming I should be empathetic. Your solution leads to "kill them all." I offer an alternative by which we can all tolerate each other.

Supposedly so does the Bible. And yet Liberal Christians have found ways to ignore the more immoral bits.

Fundamentalists will always find a reasons to attack us. We hardly need to give them any. On the other hand we can either drive popular support toward them or away. I think the preaching of liberal doctrine, by mosques that support Muslims of all kinds in Muslim nations will lower the number of new fundamentalists. Islam needs to offer an alternative to radicalism that is appealing to Muslims. Materialism and Christianity don't cut it.

SFA1973 Wrote: "Muslims will not accept reform that goes counter to the Qu'ran and the Hadiths." I see you write it. But how about we try it and find out. It can't be more expensive than waging an unending war.

Yes Islam must reform it's self. But that doesn't mean we can't take a side and financially help reformers by establishing mosques and religious schools that teach a Liberal doctrine that conforms with modern western values..

AmyD Wrote: 5 minutes ago (6:03 PM) "you don't understand CE....any Muslim woman who wants to break the chains is identified & should she be foolish enough to visit the Muslim countries tis likely she won't come out. As far as American women breaking the chains it's not likely due to the servitude their men keep them under." You clearly think the best way to liberate a Muslim women is to drop a 50 lb bomb on her house. I suggest there is an alternative. Find Liberal Muslims and support their cause of Religious Reform.