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Majority of Democrats Don't Support Israel Defense Against Hamas

Carlos7 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 7:37 PM
This is what Romney was talking about ... Those 47% are so Greedy, they refuse to share a mere fraction of their Trillion Dollar Welfare funding with our best Ally. As if it's their money to whine about!
Tea Party in Wisconsin formerlyTea Party Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 11:17 PM
They don't pay taxes on their money either..they don't PAY taxes yet they can affored huge flat screen t v's, computers, cell phones with all the bells and whistles; and expensive tennies..just to name a few. I know one who gets food 'stamps' and gives his sister in another state that is less agreeable to welfare users scamming the system some and sells the rest. So as an OVER TAXED AMERICAN CITIZEN, yeah I resent the theft of these losers. The Bible says if a person will NOT work, neither shall he eat. Nothing against those who truly need it but we all know there are plenty of healthy people getting welfare out of sheer laziness and greed.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 11:28 PM
Yeah, what "we all know" is apparent to you because of the anecdotal evidence you have derived from the VERY limited experience you have had with welfare recipients.

That's the point, your point of view on welfare is generally severely colored by your experience. That experience has made you more apt to assume there are "plenty of healthy people getting welfare out of sheer laziness and greed." I however, have had a much different experience with people getting welfare--the majority of people that I have known who have received government assistance have done so out of true need, and have gotten off of it at the first opportunity. That leads me to draw the opposite conclusion: that most on welfare are hardworking and decent people.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 9:04 PM
Huh?

What does foreign aid (which is what I presume you are talking about with accusing that fictitious 47% of freeloaders of being unwilling to share), have to do with supporting or opposing firing rockets into civilian areas in Gaza?

I mean, say what you want about that position--I personally don't support Israel in general, but I do support their right to respond to direct violence--but I'm not sure what it has to do with wanting to be greedy about welfare money, or not believing that there is still value in providing foreign aid to Israel.

But this is the Republican mindset, of course Democrats are traitors that hate America...because, if they're not, then I have to actually consider their positions, and can't simply dismiss them.
Thomas 109 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 10:12 PM
Nah, you go to far. I am probably more conservative than anyone you have ever spoken to and I agree with you first of all about your support for Israel's right to defend themselves. While "Democrats are traitors that hate America" is obviously a fallacy, it doesn't mean conversely that a lot of Democrats don't have a negative view of America or what has been in her interest. As to the much maligned 47% being freeloaders, that is a another fallacy, but one that doesn't mean that a lot of our new social welfare society aren't freeloaders, and that our society has divided itself primarily between taxpayers and tax consumers. And that conflict can only go a couple of ways.
Thomas 109 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 10:12 PM
Nah, you go to far. I am probably more conservative than anyone you have ever spoken to and I agree with you first of all about your support for Israel's right to defend themselves. While "Democrats are traitors that hate America" is obviously a fallacy, it doesn't mean conversely that a lot of Democrats don't have a negative view of America or what has been in her interest. As to the much maligned 47% being freeloaders, that is a another fallacy, but one that doesn't mean that a lot of our new social welfare society aren't freeloaders, and that our society has divided itself primarily between taxpayers and tax consumers. And that conflict can only go a couple of ways.
Thomas 109 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 10:14 PM
Nah, you go to far. I am probably more conservative than anyone you have ever spoken to and I agree with you first of all about your support for Israel's right to defend themselves. While "Democrats are traitors that hate America" is obviously a fallacy, it doesn't mean conversely that a lot of Democrats don't have a negative view of America or what has been in her interest. As to the much maligned 47% being freeloaders, that is a another fallacy, but one that doesn't mean that a lot of our new social welfare society aren't freeloaders, and that our society has divided itself primarily between taxpayers and tax consumers. And that conflict can only go a couple of way.
wtmoore1 Wrote: Nov 19, 2012 11:09 PM
That "conflict" that you perceive is undermined by actual statistics. Most people who receive welfare do so for two years or less, so those "tax consumers" you speak of go back into the "taxpayer" category, and some from the latter during that same time move over to the former category. That's the whole point of social programming, not to support a dependent "class," but to be there to act as an artificial bottom, so people can get back on their feet and begin moving back up in the system.

We all benefit from that. But that has NOTHING to do with whether Democrats support Israel in their response to violence. The notion of "greed" on the part of those "takers" isn't really foundational to the argument that Israel is oppressive toward Gaza.

A new CNN poll shows only 40 percent of Democrats support Israel's response to Hamas launching repeatedly rockets into their country.

"Although most Americans think the Israeli actions are justified, there are key segments of the public who don't necessarily feel that way," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Only four in ten Democrats think the Israeli actions in Gaza are justified, compared to 74% of Republicans and 59% of independents. Support for Israel's military action is 13 points higher among men than among women, and 15 points higher among older Americans than among younger Americans."

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