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Can a Grand Bargain Ever Work?

cards45 Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 8:30 AM
The Republicans have been boxed into a corner. If they vote for tax increases the will have gone against their promises to the folks that voted them into office. If they refuse to allow tax increases they will be labeled as obstructionists by the dems and MSM. I know it's going to hurt for a while but I say give Barack Hussein Obama everything he wants and sit back and watch him go down in flames. You can't trust Liberals to follow through on any promises to cut spending in exchange for tax increases, just ask Ronald Reagan.
Kibitzer Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 3:58 PM
"The Republicans have been boxed into a corner. If they vote for tax increases the will have gone against their promises to the folks that voted them into office. If they refuse to allow tax increases they will be labeled as obstructionists by the dems and MSM."

But, if they don't vote for any tax rate increase, everyone gets an increase, and the Democrats will use that against them in the 2014 election. Likely result, total Democrat control of Congress.
Reginald10 Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 5:24 PM
So don't vote for the Dem's "deal". Vote "Present", and keep your hands clean.
Kibitzer Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 7:13 PM
What do you not understand about the fact that without at least some house republicans voting for the increase on the "rich" everyone's taxes go up? Granted that some of those votes could be cast by outgoing republicans, but absent a divine intervention taxes will go up on at least the "rich" as defined by Obama, and absent a bill passed by the congress the rates go up for everyone. Voting present is voting for tax rates to go up on everyone. Let's get realistic!
pastorial Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 9:38 AM
c, Republicans boxed themselves into a corner.

no one made them do it!

perhaps you can't trust liberals. but can you really trust conservatives?

The idea behind a grand bargain to get the federal budget deficit under control is a simple one. Republicans agree to tax increases and Democrats agree to spending cuts.

In a previous post I warned that this could be a trap for Republicans, just like similar budget deals have been in the past.

There are two problems. First, the tax increases will hit immediately, while the spending cuts will be mainly in the future. That means future Congress's will have an opportunity to renege on the agreement before any serious spending reduction takes place. Second, all the serious spending increases...