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Cardinal5671 Wrote: Feb 04, 2015 5:10 PM
The problem here is that this is not about YOU, Its about your children. And that's why, in my opinion, people get so fired up about this. It is the notion that because you are a parent, you are suddenly a qualified expert on all things regarding your child. This is, of course, false.
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Cardinal5671 Wrote: Feb 04, 2015 5:07 PM
So.then since you obviously do not believe the right to abortion can be found in the 9th amendment (or anywhere else) then neither would the right to refuse to vaccinate a child. This is to say the Constitution is silent on the issue. So it falls to the states.
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Cardinal5671 Wrote: Feb 04, 2015 3:24 PM
So if getting these diseases is so good, why not just give them an injection with the disease and let them get the immunity naturally? Is that a better plan in your view?
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Cardinal5671 Wrote: Feb 04, 2015 3:23 PM
The vaccines are not 100% effective and a small percentage of those who get vaccinated do not get the immunity. But what you mention is what is referred to as 'herd immunity'. The problem is that it breaks down when larger numbers of individuals are not vaccinated.
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Cardinal5671 Wrote: Feb 04, 2015 1:09 PM
C4L, Is it or is it not true that someone's liberty ends when their liberty affects someone else's?
And I suppose they feel better if their child dies or contracts one of those diseases the vaccines are intended to prevent - but could not because their did not allow their children to be vaccinated?
Every time I hear a vaccination discussion, those who are against vaccination are almost exclusively focused on the vaccine and how dangerous it could be. They seldom bring up what the vaccines are trying to prevent - serious diseases that can kill. Science is not perfect and vaccines do present a set of risks. But not getting vaccinated means you are opening the door to serious and deadly diseases. The vaccines exist for a reason. That must be remembered. I have family members that refused to vaccinate their children. Sure enough, they got sick with, in this case, whooping cough. They had to learn a lesson the hard way.
"...the measles vaccine protects roughly 90 percent of people it is administered to..." That's why. Because the vaccine does not work for everyone. So those on whom it does not work or get some protection.
"But I DON'T claim to prove anything absolute one way or the other about the Personhood of the fetus and when it becomes a Human Being. As a very wise and honest man once said, "That's above my pay grade." Only God knows that." Exactly! So why do you seek to override his judgement by assuming it can't be before 24 weeks? Sorry you can't have it both ways.
Flaming, your persistent clinging to this idea that the fetus isn't human at conception because some(and possibly many) fail to implant is plane silly and demonstrably false. How someone is treated by another in no way affects whether or not they are human or not. You know this is true yet you cling to your own hypocrisy.
Flaming, your persistent clinging to this idea that the fetus isn't human at conception because some(and possibly many) fail to implant is plane silly and demonstrably false. How someone is treated by another in no way affects whether or not they are human or not. You know this is true yet you cling to your own hypocrisy.
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