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Evangelicals Against God

Cambermeister Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 11:39 AM
Anonimus, you and I have different experieces with atheists. I've known quite a few that never engage in discussions about religion or God since they actually have nothing to contribute. They just politely go get another beer and privately wonder how so many folks have been so deceived. You've experienced a new flavor of Atheist unsure of (but needing) their Atheism. Without their Atheism, their friendships and relationships will be strained or ended. These are the childish types (ACLU) running around fearful of seeing or hearing religiousness. They fear that last cranial tumbler will click over and they'll be speaking in tongues in a tent down south.
Cambermeister Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 11:47 AM
Anonimus, I use a gauge...a question to categorize these Atheists so I may avoid a subject causing their evening to end quickley.
Ask them if they believe DNA came from lightning hitting a muddy muddle or if Peter Parker was really bit by a radioactive spider or if the Big Bang Theory confims God or if THE HULK really was soaked in gamma rays or ask them to explain gravity.
Normal Atheists will answer these questions with either a yes or no. The new/immature class will get their feelings hurt, say something snotty and run away. This leaves more beer for the grown ups.
Anominus Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 12:02 PM
Ok, but that didn't answer my question. In my experience, the "new atheist" (as you label them) is becoming more common. Honestly, I suspect this is because it is currently popular amongst the "intellectual" class and is glorified by the same pseudo-scientist types that push anthropomorphic global warming. These groups include many teachers, professors and politicians who are more than willing to discuss their religious views in front of their often captive audiences.

Does your current experience differ from this?
Cambermeister Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 12:10 PM
No, same experience. It's also political. Barack Obama got every Atheist but Rove and Stossel to vote for him.
Religion is rather odd though. Millions of people trust the witnessing and understanding of a few men. This faith causes incredible shifts in policy, spending and meddling in the affairs of others. When a non-believer questions the faith, they're met with a barrage of hysterical comments all of which never answer the question.
Cambermeister Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 12:11 PM
Anonimus, was I describing Christianity or 'the global warming crowd'?
Cambermeister Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 12:13 PM
Anonimus, 'the global warming crowd' needs a better name. Something catchy.
How about Algoris?. (not to be confused with Algorithm)
Cambermeister Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 12:14 PM
I meant 'Algorism'. I left out the 'm'.
Anominus Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 12:20 PM
"Anonimus, was I describing Christianity or 'the global warming crowd'?"

Sadly, in many instances that description fits both, not to mention most other religions / "settled sciences."
Anominus Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 12:23 PM
I've always liked "Gorebal Alarmists." They need a silly name for such a silly pursuit.
Cambermeister Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 1:16 PM
Well Anonimus, that's pretty good. .Ever since Al Gore got rich off that movie,
the whole concept of global warming has taken on a very religious sort of hysteria.
texaslib Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 4:27 PM
OK, I'll give it a shot. What category am I?
1. No. I don't know precisely how the first DNA molecules were formed. Nor does anyone else. By definition, no one was there to observe.
2. No. But its a good story and I am sticking to it.
3. No. The big bang theory neither proves nor disproves the existence of whatever your specific concept of "god" is.
4. I believe in the existence of gamma rays, but not in the reality of the Hulk
5. Gravity is one of the fundamental forces of nature, along with electromagnetism, the strong and the weak nuclear forces. Gravity is far better understood on macro scales (einstein's general theory) than it is on the quantum scale (black holes, etc.).
Anominus Wrote: Dec 20, 2012 11:43 AM
Of the two experiences, which type of atheist would you say is more emergent in recent times?

I was driving near the Washington Beltway recently behind an evangelistic atheist. It was not the Obama-Biden bumper sticker that gave this driver away, but the one just below it: "You don't need God — to hope, to care, to love, to live."

That seemed an oddly defensive bit of secular scripture, and since the bumper sticker also promoted a website (, I decided to see what the Godless were preaching.

"We who are nonreligious lead meaningful lives without reliance on the supernatural," said the website.

"Moreover, we who are nonreligious don't believe our lives lack meaning because there is no...