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Twenty Things this Conservative Believes

Cal18 Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 8:18 AM
Only number six gives me cause for concern. I'm pro capital punishment but only when there are eyewitnesses and/or incontrovertible DNA and other evidence. MAJ Nadal Hassan is a perfect example of a case where the death penalty is justified. I'm not sure executing a young man for distributing marijuana is in our best interest or the way to end the scourge of drug use. We'd also have to separate so-called "date rape" from rape. Date rape is NOT okay but a girl saying "yes" until penetration then saying "no" isn't the same as abducting a woman and raping her. Otherwise, I'm pretty much with you, John.
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 9:01 AM
In re: "Date Rape"

Its a woman's duty to make her refusal plain, clear, and unequivocal. If, as a man made advances, she never said, "No, I don't want to," never said, "Stop, go away," never slapped the guy's face, never pushed him away, never yelled for help, or never otherwise availed herself of the opportunities she had to get out of the situation then she was seduced, not raped.

If a woman intentionally entered a sexually charged environment, a hook-up party, that is a presumption of consent to be weighed against any possible charges unless she made it clear that she had changed her mind and attempted to leave.

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Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 9:02 AM
If a woman intentionally impaired her judgment through the use of alcohol or drugs but does not pass out and ends up consenting to sex that she later regrets it was not rape, she is responsible for her bad choices. However, if someone else slips alcohol into her soda or drugs her then takes advantage of her impaired condition that is exactly equivalent to violent rape.

Even a wh*re has the right to say "No" (if she returns the money), but what occurred before the retraction of consent does not retroactively become rape. In that situation rape only occurs if the man continues after consent has been CLEARLY withdrawn. "I don't like that," is not refusal, its a request to change position/technique/etc. ...
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 9:02 AM
Note: There is a biological point beyond which a man is incapable of stopping. A woman who lets things get that far should, in the absence of evidence of gross misconduct on the man's part, be assumed to have consented to the completion of the act.
TexasChris Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 10:02 AM
There's a fine line between regretted sex and rape. A very fine line.
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 10:26 AM
No, the line is broad and easily seen -- its a stark, black and white contrast.

Leaving aside the use of force, if a woman never made an unequivocal refusal then she was not raped.
The Teleprompter Speaks Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 4:16 PM
What century is that mindset from? The same one where they stoned women (but not men) for adultry?
The Teleprompter Speaks Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 4:18 PM
I see. Men have no control over themselves. It's a woman's fault for being assaulted. Let's blame the victim for being a tramp.
The Teleprompter Speaks Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 4:19 PM
So anybody could drug any of your four children and not NOT rape them because they never protested?
Mother of 4 -- the original Wrote: Jun 01, 2012 6:10 PM
Any century where women are considered independent, adult human beings who are responsible for their own actions and decisions instead of dependent, child-like sub-humans who are perpetual victims of forces beyond their control.

Spikeygrrl Wrote: Jun 02, 2012 4:33 AM
Re: "Date rape"

This term completely devalues both words: A hookup is NOT a "date," and sexual buyer's remorse is NOT "rape."

So, what are we supposed to call a REAL rape anymore? "Forced rape"? Raging redundancy, Batman!

Not pushing back HARD on this sort of Orwellian Newspeak is exactly how we lost the use of such perfectly adequate Standard American English words as "gay" and "discriminate."

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