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Jensen and Flynn

Buzz42 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 9:08 PM
The debate over racial and ethnic group IQs ignores the fact that we are individuals. Being associated with a group that tests high or low for IQ doesn’t tell us anything about you as an individual. If you’re a genius, you’re a genius regardless of your skin color or ethnicity. Likewise, if you land on the other end of the bell curve, you are still a moron regardless of your racial group’s “superior” test scores.
Carl469 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 9:42 PM
Unfortunately, reality intrudes. Heredity DOES have a lot to do with intelligence. And race is part of heredity.
mvaughan Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 10:23 PM
All points are valid. And there are so many factors involved that the "status" testing really does very little justice. One thing that I believe can be agreed upon is that any person that is educated makes better judgements in life than someone who is not. Illiterate people simply cannot comprehend many of the basic fundamentals in life and are surely to not be AS successful in any arena because of their lack of knowledge.
mvaughan Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 10:25 PM
Environment surely plays a huge part on this. Human nature, race and so many other factors do as well. As the old saying goes, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink".
Buzz42 Wrote: Nov 27, 2012 11:06 PM
Carl – The point is you can’t know a specific individual’s inherited (or nurtured) IQ based on a group’s average test score. You would have to test that person individually to find out. Arbitrarily assigning an individual an intellectual status based on race is the classic definition of racism. Treating people as individuals is the antidote.

Anyone who has followed the decades-long controversies over the role of genes in IQ scores will recognize the names of the two leading advocates of opposite conclusions on that subject-- Professor Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley and Professor James R. Flynn, an American expatriate at the University of Otago in New Zealand.

What is so unusual in the academic world of today is that Professor Flynn's latest book, "Are We Getting Smarter?" is dedicated to Arthur Jensen, whose integrity he praises, even as he opposes his conclusions. That is what scholarship and science are...

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