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Benghazi -- No Mere 'October Surprise'

Bufa Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 10:44 AM
One of you in the know correct me if I am wrong, but if someone,(Woods) was laser targeting a threat, wouldn't make sense that there was some type of weapon over head at that point? What would be the purpose to laser the target if there was no retaliatory weapon within striking distance? Other than to give away your postion.
Don39 Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 10:57 AM
You are right. To assume that the enemy did not have at least laser guided rocket, thus sights that detect laser beams , etc. would be very foolish. Painting a target without weapons immediately available is suicide! I do not think that the case with these trained warriors.
Kali_Fred Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 10:47 AM
As targeting lasers are not in the visible spectrum, I don't know how illuminating a target will give away your position. I suppose they could have laser detectors, but that seems pretty sophisticated....
Don39 Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 11:01 AM
If you do not think terrorist have laser detectors and sights you are pretty unsophisticated. At any rate no trained warrior would make such an assumption, nor paint a target without weapons on station, NOW!
Bufa Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 11:20 AM
That's what I would think.

Common sense. That tells us someone really f-d this brave warrior and is hiding like a coward.
Makes me sick to my stomach.
Bufa Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 11:27 AM
Every laser I have seen has a start point which can be seen.

Are you saying the laser used has a invisable start point that cannot be seen with by a human eye?
I doubt it. Woods on the roof pointing a laser downward toward the attackers.......they pin pointed him and took him out with a mortar round.
USNbubblehead Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 12:23 PM
Oh I think you'd get the target lined up, paint it briefly to be sure, then save your power and concealment. I think we're making assumptions about the minutia that are not really useful. Knowing the target is lined up and can be lased on demand is tantamount to having it painted, really.

We didn't need to go active with sonar to know if a target would be easily illuminated when we did.

Also, targeting lasers have a pretty narrow beam, and even at longer ranges a sensor that could counter-detect it would have to be in the line of sight or at least within a degree or two out.

Longshot by any means.
Baldbarian Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 12:41 PM
Former special operators have said there are smartphone apps that see that targeting laser, much less military equipment. And that no trained person would open himself to that danger, which this ex-seal was.. so for him to say he painted the target meant he had been told he had something overhead he was expecting to hit his target.
USNbubblehead Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 1:02 PM
Its possible.

Maybe it was the drone that everyone keeps referring to. I'm not hearing that any other air support was in the area. Some drones have hellfire missiles though..

Smartphone cameras can see IR spectrum light without an ap (try it on your TV remote). But to see where the emitter is you have to be somewhere close to the line of sight, unless the emitter is in the open. Night vision can see a lot of laser targeting beams too. I've worked with SEALs, and have worked developing some of their equipment in the industry. As a matter of fact, I'm knocking back a couple of happy-hour brewskys with an ex Team One member in about three hours, so I'll definitely ask what he thinks.
USNbubblehead Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 1:19 PM
Also remember that one degree at a mile or two out is 92 feet.
USNbubblehead Wrote: Oct 31, 2012 1:21 PM
If you want to understand why conservatives have lost faith in the so-called mainstream media, you need to ponder the question: Where is the Benghazi feeding frenzy?

Unlike some of my colleagues on the right, I don't think there's a conspiracy at work. Rather, I think journalists tend to act on their instincts (some even brag about this; you could look it up). And, collectively, the mainstream media's instincts run liberal, making groupthink inevitable.

In 2000, a Democratic operative orchestrated an "October surprise" attack on George W. Bush, revealing that 24 years earlier, he'd been arrested for drunk driving. The...