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More Settled Science: Wrong about Ice Melt in Greenland, Sea-Rise

BobIsBob Wrote: Nov 29, 2012 2:39 PM
satellite measurements put the Greenland Ice Sheet and the Antarctic Ice Sheets as getting thicker, not thinner. The added thickness means that the glaciation flows into the oceans are happening faster. So, things like ice shelves which are floating anyway are breaking off faster. Floating Ice melting does nothing to overall sea levels. The satellite observations of large melt water lakes in Greenland are interesting, as such occurrences have only been rarely observed, are interesting, but, are not necessarily signs of the collapse of the Greenland Ice Sheets
M.Hillinger__aka__QR Wrote: Nov 29, 2012 6:22 PM
"Then why can't they predict the weather tomorrow if they are so good?"


First, weather models are pretty good and predicting the weather. More important, though, weather is not the same as climate and climate models do not predict weather--which is inherently chaotic.

To use another analogy, I cannot predict what will be the outcome of 10 or 20 throws of a die, but I can predict with a high level over certainty the outcome of 5000 throws of the die.
Frank391 Wrote: Nov 29, 2012 5:48 PM
Then why can't they predict the weather tomorrow if they are so good?
M.Hillinger__aka__QR Wrote: Nov 29, 2012 3:13 PM
You, and George Will don't know what you are talking about.

First, Gore is not a scientist and nothing in the area of climate science relies on anything he has done.

Second, global climate models have done a good job with hindcasts of data and do reasonably well with forecasts--and they are getting better. Even Hansen's model of 1988 is doing well against the actual data. I can provide evidence if you would bother to read it.
Mack30 Wrote: Nov 29, 2012 3:04 PM
Hillinger sez: "It is more complicated than that"

Correct, it's so complicated that there exists not one computer model of climate that is predictive of anything. As George Will said. Gore's theory of climate change explains everything, so it explains nothing. Hot, cold, wet,. dry, doesn't matter. Just be quiet and send the federal government more money and it will magically be all better.
M.Hillinger__aka__QR Wrote: Nov 29, 2012 2:44 PM
"satellite measurements put the Greenland Ice Sheet and the Antarctic Ice Sheets as getting thicker, not thinner. "

It is more complicated than that. Look at the link and especially the time lapse of ice changes. There are parts of the Greenland Ice Sheet that gained ice. There is more moisture in the air and Greenland is still cold, so this is not unexpected. But the overall trend is to ice loss.

New research published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences tends to now show that ice melt estimates previously calculated for Greenland have not significantly accelerated- as has been previously postulated- nor has the melt contributed in a meaningful way to the rise of sea levels.

Recently, much of the destruction on the east coast as a consequence of Super-Mega-Hurricane Sandy Gore was blamed on the rise in sea-levels, which have been blamed on…drum roll…global warming.

The newest revelation, amongst many in the last several years that have muffled the global warming chants of  “settled science, settled...