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Merry Christmas: This Tax Increase is for You, America

Bob F. RVN70-71 Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 9:30 AM
wellread: I must have missed the part where my taxes went down, twice? When did that happen? (Renewing the Bush tax cut rates does not count as lowering my taxes. That was keeping the rates the same.) So just what ARE "reasonable" tax rates?
SpaceVegetable Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 2:02 PM
Funny how 80% of the DOE money went to Obama's financial supporters, eh? Like the auto company stimulus that only bailed out the unions on the backs of the taxpayers.
mc7241 Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 10:42 AM
wellread,, the main problem with your premise is that it is ok for government to steal our money and use it for their own purposes,, or just to get rich, look at the wealth of the politicians
PaleoPatriot Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 10:31 AM
Silly lib, equal outcomes = equal misery and poverty for all. As hard as it tries Socialism cannot provide equal outcomes. The one and only reason the USA is the great nation that it is. Capitalism. Where EVERYONE has an equal opportunity to succeed. But Peter thinks that we owe him something.
PaleoPatriot Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 10:24 AM
Show me the tax charts from the tax code! Taxes rates haven't decreased.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 10:18 AM
And that BLOG has been thoroughly destroyed as well. The tax "deal" was a net tax increase, the "stimulus" was not a cut in tax RATES but a giveaway to companies like Solyndra that were wasted in their entirety and an extension of an existing cut is NOT a new tax cut. Obama has NEVER cut taxes and you are grossly ill informed.
FletchforFreedom Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 9:56 AM
Again, repeating the discredited "lowest rates in 60 years" canrad hardly helps your credibility.
BK22 Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 9:54 AM
All of these ended up being tax increases or increased debt. Time to abolish them all. Funny how all or most of the tax increases will be for MORE spending on more BS programs and will not lower the debt one bit.
wellread Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 9:47 AM
So Bob continues to ignore reality. Not the extension, but the actual lowering of rates. Come on Bob, even for a Con you're failing to perform the dance around the issues.

You can exclude the extension, but why are you ignoring the FACT that rates went down because of their policies?

"the Obama administration has passed three major bills affecting the taxes people paid over the last four years. The stimulus, which included $289.6 billion in tax cuts; the 2010 tax deal, which included more than $800 billion in tax cuts; and the payroll tax deal, which extended the payroll tax cut and a handful of other policies through 2012."
Bob F. RVN70-71 Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 9:40 AM
I already stated that you can't count renewing the Bush rates as a "tax cut." Even if you are "well read," your comprehension sucks.

As far as tax rates being higher in the past when the economy was doing much better, are you implying that the economy was better BECAUSE tax rates were higher? If so, then you show zero understanding of economics.
Jeff P Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 9:37 AM
Yes, we should have lower tax rates. That should ALWAYS be the mindset of government.
wellread Wrote: Dec 01, 2012 9:33 AM
Wow, Bob. You're really out of the loop. Bush tax cuts and Obama cuts. That would be two (in case you care to count.)

Reasonable tax rates are the rates that worked for the US. Are you still advocating for lower rates than we have now, the lowest rates in over 60 years. What decade did you feel the rates were too high? The ones where the US did much better.

Let’s cut right to the end of the story: Ordinary people have already tumbled off the precipice.

There will be no dramatic rescue at the height of the tension, with crashing, ominous music turning to a sunshine ditty, a government handout straining to reach you, to save you from tumbling over the lip of the cliff.

Instead the government is going to intentionally bump into you, making it look like an accident, head turned away, mumbling an apology, much like a pick-pocket does in a crowd, with the object to lift your wallet.      

So, yes; however much they...

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